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Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:19 pm
by Fugger
General_Ohiggins wrote:I am a midde class Chilean and I dont consider myself a rude, arrogant, or anything like that, ...
1. One data point does make a pattern or trend

2. You assume you are a nice person, so don't take it personally, but I guess that most nasty people would also not describe themselves as rude or arrogant.

Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:41 pm
by General_Ohiggins
Fugger wrote:
General_Ohiggins wrote:I am a midde class Chilean and I dont consider myself a rude, arrogant, or anything like that, ...
1. One data point does make a pattern or trend

2. You assume you are a nice person, so don't take it personally, but I guess that most nasty people would also not describe themselves as rude or arrogant.
I guess u are right! it's arrogant talking about myself hahahahahaa. I can be rude too, as I think most of the people can, right? it's a matter of attitude (Also education, the way your parentes raised you, life experience, etc)

Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:42 pm
by La_Tini
Chileans? Large breakfast ? We must be thinking of another Chile. Chileans in general tend to be very light breakfast eaters.
Actually with large I meant long... I sometimes struggle with my English. So, if they´re so pathetically unproductive, it´s kind of surprising that they have such a powerful economy in comparison with other Latin American countries. And yes, I do think they have long working hours, especially considering the miserable payment most people will receive at their jobs. For 300.000 or 400.000 pesos a month, you cannot expect an overwhelming motivation and productivity in my opinion.

Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:25 am
by JHyre
The Chilean economy is largely based not on worker productivity but upon easily exploitable natural resources.
Bingo! Add to that factor that the people who run the country are not very keen on the government spending more than it makes (what a concept!), plus a few free-market reforms (by no means comprehensive) imposed by force, and Chile's relative (to the rest of Latin America) economic success is explained.

John Hyre

Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:31 pm
by Fugger
La_Tini wrote:So, if they´re so pathetically unproductive, it´s kind of surprising that they have such a powerful economy in comparison with other Latin American countries.
1. Natural resources
2. Macroeconomic and fiscal policies mostly reasonable
La_Tini wrote:And yes, I do think they have long working hours, especially considering the miserable payment most people will receive at their jobs. For 300.000 or 400.000 pesos a month, you cannot expect an overwhelming motivation and productivity in my opinion.
You have adapted well to Chile, have you. :wink:

My brother-in-law hat a database (content) business in Chile. Ultimately, he moved the data entry positions to the US and Germany. Despite somewhat higher salaries the productivity (on a quality adjusted basis) was so much better.

Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:10 pm
by momof3
Finally left Santiago for a whole day to go to Valparaiso. What a difference a day makes. Me thinks a lot of the anti-social business I have experienced has been a Santiago thing. I am keeping a count of how long it is taking me (4 months and 1 day so far ) to befriend a Chilean. I am trying and I will not give up, I just need to break the code.

Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:17 pm
by Afterburner
patagoniax wrote:The attitude of "I don't get paid enough to give a shit" and similar absolution for indolence is certainly part of the national character at many levels.
+ 1 never saw the upside of concentration camps before but certainly they prevented indolence.
part of the national character
Ah, those famous generalisations so supposedly abhorred yet so persistently aimed in the direction of your hosts

"National character" the old reliable substratum which provides a seemingly innocuous foundation for, and offer serves as a precursor to, the construction of racist ideology.

Especially when all the examples of that national character are negative.

And ironic given the disingenuous accusations of racism made against another poster earlier who merely served to stick up for his country.

Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:26 pm
by Afterburner
patagoniax wrote:
bjdrogo wrote:I have been communicating with a couple of Chileans by email. I do not know if they are expats or not but they have been very helpful. Looking forward to meeting them when I get down there. I have noticed and read that Latin America is more laid back than North America. It sometimes took three weeks to get an answer back to one of my emails.
Have you been communicating in the language of the realm? Then you will know that the local meaning of "laid back" is flojera.
Maybe you missed your vocation as a Bavarian productivity inspector?

Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:03 am
by john
Afterburner wrote:
patagoniax wrote:
bjdrogo wrote:I have been communicating with a couple of Chileans by email. I do not know if they are expats or not but they have been very helpful. Looking forward to meeting them when I get down there. I have noticed and read that Latin America is more laid back than North America. It sometimes took three weeks to get an answer back to one of my emails.
Have you been communicating in the language of the realm? Then you will know that the local meaning of "laid back" is flojera.
Maybe you missed your vocation as a Bavarian productivity inspector?
Px, could a re-location to Munich be in your near future ... perhaps, at one of the Siemen's plants? :twisted: Plus, you can always visit the nearby Alps to help prevent you from getting too homesick. :)

Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:28 pm
by john
patagoniax wrote:
john wrote:
Afterburner wrote:
patagoniax wrote:
bjdrogo wrote:I have been communicating with a couple of Chileans by email. I do not know if they are expats or not but they have been very helpful. Looking forward to meeting them when I get down there. I have noticed and read that Latin America is more laid back than North America. It sometimes took three weeks to get an answer back to one of my emails.
Have you been communicating in the language of the realm? Then you will know that the local meaning of "laid back" is flojera.
Maybe you missed your vocation as a Bavarian productivity inspector?
Px, could a re-location to Munich be in your near future ... perhaps, at one of the Siemen's plants? :twisted: Plus, you can always visit the nearby Alps to help prevent you from getting too homesick. :)


I did work in Germany for a time, as a much younger person. Worked for a Sprengmeister group. And I still have all my fingers. One does not practice flojera for long whilst doing Sprengmeister work, and that perhaps explains why there are so few surviving chilenos and irlandeses in the business. There is no RSP for foolishness.


In the mid 90's I worked in Germany (Munich) for 6 months managing a joint project between Siemens and the company I worked for. I really liked living in Munich and had the opportunity to explore most of Bavaria while there. BTW, did you ever see the terrific late 70's British TV series Danger UXB?

Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:02 pm
by Afterburner
Munich is a great and beautiful city with a very low crime late. Top-ranked amongst Germans themselves.

But I assure you even there you have cranks who give out about the country all the time, especially certain kinds of ex-pats, usually those afflicted with undiagnosed obsessive-compulsive type disorders or latent prejudices.

Re: The warmest people in Chile are Expats

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:01 pm
by john
patagoniax wrote:
Afterburner wrote:Munich is a great and beautiful city with a very low crime late.
Certainry aglee: vely row clime late.
You've been outed!!! :lol: