Not the happiest

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Re: Not the happiest

Post by frozen-north » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:24 pm

Number 1 = Costa Rica !!

Panama is number seven, with Chile in 19 place. :?

For the 2012 ranking, 151 countries were compared, and the best scoring country for the second time in a row was Costa Rica, followed by Vietnam, Colombia, Belize and El Salvador. The lowest ranking countries in 2012 were Botswana, Chad and Qatar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Planet_Index

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Re: Not the happiest

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:52 pm

More ammo to discourage wannabes :P
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Re: Not the happiest

Post by Fugger » Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:27 pm

Strato Squirrel wrote:I have no idea how this rating was determined, so save your darts for the source and not the messenger. Personally, I think the OECD is full of shite on many matters, though some things are harder to argue with, such as their observation that Chilean life expectancies are below OECD averages.

As noted in the Guardian article recently, Chile is near the bottom of "happiest countries in which to live and work." Rated 34 out of 36. Down there with Mexico and Brazil. Oz is number one on this list for the third year in a row. NZ is 11. Even the US, that most evil of imperial empires, is number 6 out of 36, up there with the Melon Collie Danes, leading to speculation that evil can indeed be equated with happiness. (Canada is number three. No surprise, eh? Ooooooo Canada... esp BC, yessir).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013 ... -australia

In a separate current OECD ranking of countries, Chile's "environmental quality" is rated as the worst of all the OECD countries. Even worse than notoriously filthy Russia. Fancy that. The low ranking is the result of two categories: Chile ranks lowest in air quality of all the OECD countries, and "low" (though not the worst) in water quality, of the OECD countries. Naturally, countries outside the OECD are not included, and some could be worse.

Chile ranks very low in "safety" within the OECD rating, again at 34 out of 36.

Your considerable observations and expert opinions will obviously differ, for your own nest and those of your privileged conocidos must surely be happier and cleaner than average. Send your complaints to the OECD, care of this station.


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- As far as data quality goes, OECD is certainly quite good (they have other issues)
- Ranking seems to be highly correlated with wealth / income
- May be Max Weber was on to more that we are permitted to admit these days

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Re: Not the happiest

Post by ExpatBob » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:07 pm

Money can't buy happiness but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes :)

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Re: Not the happiest

Post by frozen-north » Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:26 pm

Strato Squirrel wrote:
You missed the point. This is an apples-to-apples and grapes-to-grapes comparison, of countries that are pretending to be "en vias de desarollo" - rather than the Bolivias of the planet. OECD is a latinate acronym that means "Countries pretending to be developed or perhaps maybe someday could be considered to be at least minimally developed if they bribe the malleable media to say so." Chile is pretending. Mexico is pretending. Costa Rica is honest in its not pretending. So the comparisons should be restricted to the originally described field.
You mean that the US, NZ, Canada and Australia are countries "en vias de desarollo" ???

If the OECD only included 'countries that are pretending to be "en vias de desarollo"', Why is Australia, UK, etc listed as members?

Even the US, that most evil of imperial empires, is number 6 out of 36...

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Re: Not the happiest

Post by frozen-north » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:22 pm

Strato Squirrel wrote:
Always someone who was absent that day.

OECD = Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development.

From their website

"Our origins date back to 1960, when 18 European countries plus the United States and Canada joined forces to create an organisation dedicated to global development. Today, our 34 member countries span the globe, from North and South America to Europe and the Asia-Pacific region. They include many of the world’s most advanced countries but also emerging countries like Mexico, Chile and Turkey. "
But, but... Didn't you just say that the OECD was a group of...
"Countries pretending to be developed or perhaps maybe someday could be considered to be at least minimally developed if they bribe the malleable media to say so."

How can you compare Australia, US, Canada, etc in the same group with Chile:
This is an apples-to-apples and grapes-to-grapes comparison, of countries that are pretending to be "en vias de desarollo"
Are you saying that Canada, Australia and NZ are "Countries pretending to be developed"?

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Re: Not the happiest

Post by admin » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:08 am

I use to have a press acredidation to get early access to their pr. Turned out just about everything they sent me in some way was geared towards increased tax collection coperation snd beating other members in to line to coperate with that.
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Re: Not the happiest

Post by thisisreallycomplicated » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:45 am

admin wrote:I use to have a press acredidation to get early access to their pr. Turned out just about everything they sent me in some way was geared towards increased tax collection coperation snd beating other members in to line to coperate with that.
So it's just more politically motivated bs.
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Re: Not the happiest

Post by frozen-north » Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:12 am

thisisreallycomplicated wrote:
So it's just more politically motivated bs.
Do you remember the MAI (Multilateral Agreement on Investment)?
The Multilateral Agreement on Investment (MAI) was a draft agreement negotiated between members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in 1995–1998.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilater ... Investment

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Re: Not the happiest

Post by thisisreallycomplicated » Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:20 am

frozen-north wrote:
thisisreallycomplicated wrote:
So it's just more politically motivated bs.
Do you remember the MAI (Multilateral Agreement on Investment)?
The Multilateral Agreement on Investment (MAI) was a draft agreement negotiated between members of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in 1995–1998.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilater ... Investment
I hadn't heard of it before. But it looks like it pissed off a lot of people.
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Re: Not the happiest

Post by JHyre » Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:25 am

May be Max Weber was on to more that we are permitted to admit these days
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Re: Not the happiest

Post by ExpatBob » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:12 pm

MAI = "Let's make everyone's lives more difficult!"

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