Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by Sigma62Delta » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:05 am

john wrote:
Sigma62Delta wrote:
john wrote:
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Vicki and Greg Lansen wrote:A Confederacy of Dunces appears to now rule allchile. The Pinochet/Reagan/Thatcher tears are filling up. :D
As it should be.. Communism was defeated in Chile after all.
You seem to think the choices are either communism or laissez-faire capitalism. Have you not heard of social democracy?
Isn't that what the Communists call the Liberal Capitalist Movement? They are Liberals in everything but Money.
So what has been established so far, is that you do not believe in representative democracy, do not support "self-determination" for people who are being subjugated (either by despotic rulers, foreign occupation, or colonial masters), are not a communist or a social democrat, hate Obama (and his administration), the Democratic Party and moderate Republicans, and think Arica is the ideal place for you to settle. Care to enlighten us further on your political philosophy?
Well, are you saying you support Chile's "self determination"???(This is an assumption. Would be hypocritical to not support something then say I am wrong for not doing it too.).

Which means you must have supported Pinochet.. Suddenly it becomes uncool doesn't it..

That is the trouble with the double edged sword that is "self determination". It means if you support it; you must support it friend or enemy... Saying that it is good as long as your side wins is an exercise in hypocrisy.

Which is why I do not use it.

Self Determination= A political view you think is worth DYING FOR...


You see my political view is that it is not the governments job to be my Mommy... While some people like having mommy wipe their little asses for them, I do not. I don't need to be told which hand to eat with and not to put my elbows on the table. I sure as hell don't need to be told what to do with my body(yeah libs not so fun when I use that). Being a civilian should not be like being in the Military...

Everywhere you go in America there is some petty bureaucrat wanting to know what color your shit is.

I think the major political parties in the US are so corrupt that it does not matter which side you are on. Some are just more blatant. I do not mind corruption. It is inevitable. What I do mind is the Corrupt telling me they are lily white. One side says we want capitalism screw you and everything else. The other side says we are here to help the little man then bend you over the proverbial blue barrel and give it to you up the ass.

Whom would you trust? The ones who lie to your face or the ones that tell you they are going to screw you over? You are screwed either way.

Oh and don't say there are other political groups because they are so Americanized it is not funny. Everything gets convoluted and rehashed here which is primarily done because most of the population is stupid, ignorant and/or not wanting to offend anyone.

I am coming to Chile because while the government does give a shit it does not at the same time. I have no problem waiting forever for them to make up there minds because as a military man that is what I used to. The chain of command. I have no problem being regulated or told what to do.

Its just being micromanaged by pin heads is what pisses me off. I want a government where it does its thing and I do mine without it being a big deal. Also I do not see Chile as being the most stable country in the world and that keeps the government in check. If I wanted a no government society I would have stayed in Africa.

As for Arica I consider 78 degree weather awesome and no one giving a shit to be really awesome.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by FrankPintor » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:10 am

Did you shoot it in the helmet too?
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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by El Zorro » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:20 am

Sigma62Delta, have you ever been in Arica before?

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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by Sigma62Delta » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:23 am

FrankPintor wrote:Did you shoot it in the helmet too?
No, they handcuffed themselves to street lights while the civilians in their charge are shot in the head and dumped in a hole... UNPROFOR.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by Sigma62Delta » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:26 am

El Zorro wrote:Sigma62Delta, have you ever been in Arica before?
No, Only the Santiago region. Was a bit polluted. Been in worse though.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by FrankPintor » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:34 am

El Zorro wrote:Sigma62Delta, have you ever been in Arica before?
That was rather cruel. I've gathered he's not been anywhere much before. Santiago doesn't count, people shoot, like, photos there. He probably shot all of them through the head though :mrgreen:
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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by Sigma62Delta » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:58 am

FrankPintor wrote:
El Zorro wrote:Sigma62Delta, have you ever been in Arica before?
That was rather cruel. I've gathered he's not been anywhere much before. Santiago doesn't count, people shoot, like, photos there. He probably shot all of them through the head though :mrgreen:
Damn! You mean Santiago is not in Chile? Perhaps the handcuffs cut off the circulation to your brain too long..
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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by john » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:37 am

Sigma62Delta wrote:
john wrote:
Sigma62Delta wrote:
john wrote:
Sigma62Delta wrote:
Vicki and Greg Lansen wrote:A Confederacy of Dunces appears to now rule allchile. The Pinochet/Reagan/Thatcher tears are filling up. :D
As it should be.. Communism was defeated in Chile after all.
You seem to think the choices are either communism or laissez-faire capitalism. Have you not heard of social democracy?
Isn't that what the Communists call the Liberal Capitalist Movement? They are Liberals in everything but Money.
So what has been established so far, is that you do not believe in representative democracy, do not support "self-determination" for people who are being subjugated (either by despotic rulers, foreign occupation, or colonial masters), are not a communist or a social democrat, hate Obama (and his administration), the Democratic Party and moderate Republicans, and think Arica is the ideal place for you to settle. Care to enlighten us further on your political philosophy?
Well, are you saying you support Chile's "self determination"???(This is an assumption. Would be hypocritical to not support something then say I am wrong for not doing it too.). Yes, I do...but via the ballot box as Chile is a democracy.

Which means you must have supported Pinochet.. Suddenly it becomes uncool doesn't it.. I certainly did not! I don't support military dictatorships...you seem to have taken the definition of "self-determination" to a whole new level.

That is the trouble with the double edged sword that is "self determination". It means if you support it; you must support it friend or enemy... Saying that it is good as long as your side wins is an exercise in hypocrisy. I support "self-determination", whatever the outcome.

Which is why I do not use it. Is that because you usually don't like the outcome?

Self Determination= A political view you think is worth DYING FOR... Sometimes yes.


You see my political view is that it is not the governments job to be my Mommy... While some people like having mommy wipe their little asses for them, I do not. I don't need to be told which hand to eat with and not to put my elbows on the table. I sure as hell don't need to be told what to do with my body(yeah libs not so fun when I use that). Being a civilian should not be like being in the Military...

Everywhere you go in America there is some petty bureaucrat wanting to know what color your shit is.

I think the major political parties in the US are so corrupt that it does not matter which side you are on. Some are just more blatant. I do not mind corruption. It is inevitable. What I do mind is the Corrupt telling me they are lily white. One side says we want capitalism screw you and everything else. The other side says we are here to help the little man then bend you over the proverbial blue barrel and give it to you up the ass.

Whom would you trust? The ones who lie to your face or the ones that tell you they are going to screw you over? You are screwed either way.

Oh and don't say there are other political groups because they are so Americanized it is not funny. Everything gets convoluted and rehashed here which is primarily done because most of the population is stupid, ignorant and/or not wanting to offend anyone.

I am coming to Chile because while the government does give a shit it does not at the same time. I have no problem waiting forever for them to make up there minds because as a military man that is what I used to. The chain of command. I have no problem being regulated or told what to do.

Its just being micromanaged by pin heads is what pisses me off. I want a government where it does its thing and I do mine without it being a big deal. Also I do not see Chile as being the most stable country in the world and that keeps the government in check. If I wanted a no government society I would have stayed in Africa.

That's quite a rant! Had no idea you were so disgruntled in the good ol' USofA.

As for Arica I consider 78 degree weather awesome and no one giving a shit to be really awesome. Can't argue with that!
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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by Sigma62Delta » Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:01 am

Well, are you saying you support Chile's "self determination"???(This is an assumption. Would be hypocritical to not support something then say I am wrong for not doing it too.). Yes, I do...but via the ballot box as Chile is a democracy.

Which means you must have supported Pinochet.. Suddenly it becomes uncool doesn't it.. I certainly did not! I don't support military dictatorships...you seem to have taken the definition of "self-determination" to a whole new level.

There are no new levels to self determination. It always comes down to choices or even the refusal to make choices from everyone involved.


That is the trouble with the double edged sword that is "self determination". It means if you support it; you must support it friend or enemy... Saying that it is good as long as your side wins is an exercise in hypocrisy. I support "self-determination", whatever the outcome.

Which is why I do not use it. Is that because you usually don't like the outcome?

No. The outcome was always the same for me. I survived and I got paid. It would be unprofessional to favor one side over another for politics I do not care about.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by JHyre » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:35 am

What is this "we" you speak of?
We? The US, UK and Dominions. Essentially the Anglossphere, the bulk of the Allies.
Do you fancy yourself a member of the ruling elite?
No.
Do you actually believe that you have any say whatsoever on matters of actual importance?
Personally? A tiny say, as part of a republic. Less so now than then, as the bureaucracies have more power and are increasingly unaccountable.
It was the Soviet Union alone that defeated the Nazis on land. By the time the allies 'invaded', Nazi Germany was already on its knees.
True - but not without massive Allied logistical support, bombing of German industry, blockade and some distraction on land. It was a very, very near run thing even with all that help. So yes, the Commies did most of the land fighting and overall dying once Hitler stabbed them, his erstwhile allies and fellow totalitarians, in the back. But they did not single-handedly bring Germany to its knees as you imply.
The US entered into an alliance with the UK and the SU not so much in order to defeat Hitler, but because it had no choice but to do so. Otherwise, the SU would have taken over Europe.
Rubbish. The Nazis nearly beat Russia. We did not view the Soviets as a threat until late 1945 at the earliest, the alliance started in 1941. FDR, like Obama today with other thugs, thought he could charm old Uncle Joe, right to the end. Truman was the one who figured out what was happening, and that with the hindsight of a Soviet-Allied victory that was in no wise certain in 1941 or even 1942.
Stalin stayed in power, not because the Western leaders adored him, but simply because he could. He had a large secret police, a powerful army,
True.
and was very Thatcher like.
Asinine idiocy. Are you Scottish or Welsh? Many of them hate her enough for interfering with their beloved trade-unionism and socialism to say such patently stupid things.
The US later tried to intimidate the SU by detonating two nuclear weapons on densely populated areas of Japan slaughtering countless civilians in the process.


Perhaps partially correct but willfully leaving far more relevant facts out. Primary purpose of the bombs was to force a surrender, which they did. After far more civilian deaths caused by conventional bombing. And before saving many more lives that would have been lost via a direct invasion or a perpetual blockade followed by famine & pestilence.

Gotta go, will address the remainder later.

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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by nwdiver » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:52 pm

Well it sounds like Queen Chrissie tried to invite herself to the Thatcher memorial, AND ENGLAND TOLD HER TO STAY HOME, she is not welcome................why she wanted to go besides some twisted sense of PR re: the Falklands is anyone’s guess, most likely a shopping spree in London....... as per her Vancouver vacation a couple of years ago, she spent 3 days there and walk into and out of the International Socialists Conference, which by all accounts she spent less than 30 minutes at.
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Re: Margaret Thatcher, 1925-2013

Post by JHyre » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:07 pm

Cretina checks would have bounced, the UK did not want to have to reimburse the hotels, etc. Budget and all.

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