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Citizenship in Chile, APPLY NOW!!!

Post by admin » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:30 pm

This is probably pretty obvious to anyone that has been following the news, but just in case.

If you have completed all the requirements to qualify for citizenship in Chile (e.g. 5 years residency, etc), APPLY FOR YOUR CITIZENSHIP NOW!!!

The country seems very serious about writing a new constitution.

Right now, it is a 2 year or more process to obtain citizenship.

We can tell you what the constitution says now about your right to citizenship. We can not tell you what the constitution is going to say, or not say, about your right to citizenship in 2 years, 3 years, or 5 years, or 20 years.

The mechanism for obtaining citizenship in Chile, and the related procedures for doing that, might not be the highest priority as they write a new constitution.

Remember, the last constitution, it took around 30 years for them to correct it to allow for dual citizenship, and to allow people to that were not born a Chilean to apply for citizenship without renouncing their other citizenship.

Could it turn out to be easier under a new constitution?

Yes, but do you really want to bet on anything involving so much government bureaucracy ever getting easier?

Not likely.
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Post by ghibli » Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:09 am

Dear admin. First, thank you for maintaining this forum.

Second, regarding citizenship. I now have 5 years + residency so could apply for citizenship, but have been wary and daunted by the process, particularly the fingerprinting process. As a practical thing, getting the paperwork from chile to one's native country and back, with all the stamps,tags, etc. seems monsterous. Can you please provide an overview of the process, or perhaps a link to same? I recently renewed my
cedula wihtout complications and sort of thought of coasting for another five years, but that was before the protests began.

To other readers, if anyone has gone through the process, I would love to hear of your experiences.

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Post by admin » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:07 pm

If you need help send us an email.

I am actually not going to post anything related to the procedures, because they are different for each person's situation. It will just cause massive confusion.

The procedure sounds rather standardized when you read the department of immigration instructions, but those are too generic to really even start to capture all the variables involved.
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Post by admin » Sat May 30, 2020 6:55 am

We often get asked, can the Chilean government cancel your permanent residency?

well, seems these guys are having their permanent residency canceled and being deported, and in record time. I can not recall ever hearing of one canceled that fast.

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... ruano.html

These foriegners (believe they were peruvian) were arrested for running an underground club, about two weeks ago, breaking the quarantine. They were given 72 hours to leave the country.

Please note, they do not apear they even have been convicted yet. You do not need to be convicted to have your permanent residency canceled.
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Post by tiagoabner » Sat May 30, 2020 11:03 am

I saw that news article and I was actually wondering what's the legal basis of the guys being deported without being ruled guilty. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they shouldn't: I'm just trying to understand the legal framework in place.
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Post by nikotromus » Sat May 30, 2020 11:27 am

No doubt. Getting your permanent visa is a long, painful, expensive process. Just having it cancelled like that without due process sounds a bit unnerving.

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Post by admin » Sat May 30, 2020 11:30 am

tiagoabner wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 11:03 am
I saw that news article and I was actually wondering what's the legal basis of the guys being deported without being ruled guilty. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they shouldn't: I'm just trying to understand the legal framework in place.
Immigration is an executive branch / administrative power. Pretty much none of it is subject to judicial review.

It is one of the proposed changes in the new immigration bill to provide for court review / appeal / judicial oversight.
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Post by admin » Sat May 30, 2020 11:36 am

Well, in most cases you need to commit a fairly serious crime.

Most of cases we have dealt with were related to foriegners involved with drugs.

but, it is also why I told all foriegners to stay way, way away from the protests in Santiago.
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Post by mem » Sat May 30, 2020 11:37 am

With all that I have seen in the last few years, I have wondered if even having Chilean citizenship is alone enough to be treated, for better or worse, as a naturally born Chilean citizen with only Chilean citizenship, when it comes to cases like this

I think that if it came down to it...if a foreigner gained Chilean citizenship...say a naughty Peruvian as in the story, but retained their original peruvian citizenship, so a dual citizen, that Chile could strip them of their Chilean citizenship and send them back to peru just as they are stripping permanent residence and sending this guy back to Peru
However if they had no other citizenship but Chilean then Chiles hands would be tied very tight due to international law expectations regarding leaving a human stateless. Chilean jail would still be the result of course

Regardless if you immigrated to Chile and are temp, perm, or citizen...you better be on your best behaviour. Like it or not there is a 2 tier system

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Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat May 30, 2020 12:55 pm

Of course, there is Johnnie Cobin for a test case regarding naturalized Chilean citizenship.
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Post by mem » Sat May 30, 2020 1:19 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 12:55 pm
Of course, there is Johnnie Cobin for a test case regarding naturalized Chilean citizenship.
Yes, I thought about that. Not sure what the actual facts are since there were different things reported about what his status actually was. Whether it was that he was only perm, or that he had Chilean citizenship AND still US citizenship or if he had perhaps renounced us citizenship. I guess that he had Chilean citizenship but whether or not he legit renounced his us citizenship is hard to determine. The fact he is being held in Chilean jail still, perhaps gives some creedence to the idea that he had renounced us citizenship for the tax advantages. If that is the case then it makes sense why he is still in Chilean jail and not stripped of his Chilean status and deported as the Peruvian is

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Post by admin » Sat May 30, 2020 1:58 pm

It would take an act of congress to strip citizenship, and even that is questionable.

It is not exactly something found in the constitution, so it might arguably require a constitutional amendment.

That is before getting in to all the international treaties, etc related to stateless persons.

What could be an exception however is if someone falsified documents or lied during the aplication process.
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