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Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:30 pm
by admin
We constantly get people calling us up, and wanting to argue with our advice. We simply ask them, "do you want us to tell you what you want to hear, or do you want our professional advice based on our years of experience in Chile"?

Telling you what you want to hear is very easy.

It will all be wine, roses, and rainbows. It will cost you nothing. You will do great things to help people that really need it, and are not just ripping you off. The government will meet you at the airport with a red carpet and roses. President Pinera will get down and kiss the ground you walk on.

Good luck with that.

One thing that Chile does very well, is separate fools from their money.

Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:23 pm
by admin
Yea, I would like to see someone do a proper breakout of American living costs vs. medium income. $59,000 U.S. medium income sounds all great and all developed, except if it cost $100,000 a year to live; or, worse. You are not spending what you need to live (e.g. retirement, health care, etc) because you are deficit spending your future. Not seeing a doctor now, cost you years off your life later; or, you are not saving for retirement, to pay rent now.

I would like to see a more detailed assessment than the political number the U.S. government uses of $12,000 U.S. poverty line, that has magically almost never moved; or even that 24,000 U.S. that economist double just to get close to a realistic poverty line. I think I seen something go by the other day, that each american's debt share was $11,000 in 2018.

Something like a total cost of living number.

Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:21 pm
by at46
admin wrote:
Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:23 pm
Yea, I would like to see someone do a proper breakout of American living costs vs. medium income. $59,000 U.S. medium income sounds all great and all developed, except if it cost $100,000 a year to live; or, worse. You are not spending what you need to live (e.g. retirement, health care, etc) because you are deficit spending your future. Not seeing a doctor now, cost you years off your life later; or, you are not saving for retirement, to pay rent now.

I would like to see a more detailed assessment than the political number the U.S. government uses of $12,000 U.S. poverty line, that has magically almost never moved; or even that 24,000 U.S. that economist double just to get close to a realistic poverty line. I think I seen something go by the other day, that each american's debt share was $11,000 in 2018.

Something like a total cost of living number.
Here's a good discussion on finding value in the stock market. https://seekingalpha.com/article/423053 ... block=true Someone said he'd jump on a stock with 5x P/E if he can find it, but the difference between a 20x and 25x P/E is really meaningless if you're looking for true value.

Using this as analogy, US minimum wage, poverty line or true cost of living are meaningless when the entire country is priced at 25x but has no earnings to show for it.

You can set these at any number, but would those numbers be deserving or honestly earned? That is the question.

Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:26 pm
by admin
initeresting argument that the u.s. GDP is in fact 1/3 or more, less than reported, as 60% of the gdp is dependent in goverment deficit spending, but is not measured in the official productivity number.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01- ... everything

i particularly like the suggestion that you need to treat the u.s. goverment numbers like a third-world country and assume all the books are cooked. chief among them is the 100 million americans that get magicaly left out of the employment numbers, and most collect some sort of goverment income.

Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:23 am
by Space Cat
Haha what a thread. A textbook example of the White Savior complex.

Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:22 pm
by admin
Space Cat wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:23 am
Haha what a thread. A textbook example of the White Savior complex.
yea, i have let the thread stand because it was mildly amusing.

always fun to watch people declare their anti-racist, Anti-imperilist , anti-whatever as they jump head first in to doing exactly what they say they are trying to stop.

The ships from the spanish crown were loaded with people with the same idea, 'we are going to save these poor people from themselves for their own good'.

Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:09 pm
by questionsasked
admin wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:22 pm
Space Cat wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:23 am
Haha what a thread. A textbook example of the White Savior complex.
yea, i have let the thread stand because it was mildly amusing.

always fun to watch people declare their anti-racist, Anti-imperilist , anti-whatever as they jump head first in to doing exactly what they say they are trying to stop.

The ships from the spanish crown were loaded with people with the same idea, 'we are going to save these poor people from themselves for their own good'.
i think that you are blessing people with this forum but that your opinions are often disturbing and seek to humiliate others. you should rethink that approach for your own good in life.

Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:12 pm
by questionsasked
Space Cat wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:23 am
Haha what a thread. A textbook example of the White Savior complex.
please elaborate...

Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:11 pm
by nwdiver
questionsasked wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:12 pm
Space Cat wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:23 am
Haha what a thread. A textbook example of the White Savior complex.
please elaborate...
Come on......you really don't understand that comment.....did you grow up in a compound somewhere?

Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:17 pm
by Space Cat
questionsasked wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:12 pm
Space Cat wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:23 am
Haha what a thread. A textbook example of the White Savior complex.
please elaborate...
You haven't lived here even for a couple of years but already "not impressed with the way Chileans think and behave". Statements like this demonstrate your hubris-fueled cultural imperialism — no wonder you've met only shitty expats. For example, I always avoid first-world immigrants who have attitudes similar to yours.

You are still a guest in this country, with little knowledge of the culture or history. So you are not in position to judge or give advice. Spend a decade or so on integration and then we'll talk. Until then, show some respect to your hosts — as any immigrant should do.

Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:27 am
by admin
SCL wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:41 pm
Wrong.....Wrong...The spaniards came looking for gold and silver. They could not give a damn about the soul of the natives. Why spread fantasies ? And if I remember some history they had quite a discussion about the natives having or not having a soul.
your probably right. it was more along the lines of, 'just in case they have soul, and we kill them for their gold and silver, so we don't ourselves go to hell, let's try and pretend that we tried to save their souls. if they don't convert, then it is on them".

:roll:

Re: Philanthropy Starting In Chile

Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:30 am
by admin
questionsasked wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:09 pm
admin wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:22 pm
Space Cat wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:23 am
Haha what a thread. A textbook example of the White Savior complex.
yea, i have let the thread stand because it was mildly amusing.

always fun to watch people declare their anti-racist, Anti-imperilist , anti-whatever as they jump head first in to doing exactly what they say they are trying to stop.

The ships from the spanish crown were loaded with people with the same idea, 'we are going to save these poor people from themselves for their own good'.
i think that you are blessing people with this forum but that your opinions are often disturbing and seek to humiliate others. you should rethink that approach for your own good in life.

okeydoke