chile's migration crisis

Anything related to legal issues, immigration, problems, regulations, tax issues, or any other law or legal related problem in Chile. Moderated By A Chilean Attorney.

Moderator: Zvalenzuela

lost gringo
Rank: Chile Forum Citizen
Posts: 357
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:12 pm
Location: South Park, Patagonia

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by lost gringo » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:30 pm

admin wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:46 am
will be interesting to see how many of the haitens and Venezuelans are still here in say 5 years.

I bet a large chunk of the haitens either go home or move on to another country. if Venezuela stabilizes, a good portion will go home also. might not happen right away, but if there are some positive signs a lot will go home.
Anecdotal but I had to renew my cedula recently. Went to the PDI office in Puerto Montt to get a document stamped. It was packed with Haitens and there was a cola with out the door, estimated wait time was 3 to 4 hours. I asked and they said they were there for a residency tramite.
Five years ago when I did the same there was no one but employees in the office.

I went to the PDI office in Puerto Varas and I was in and out in 15 minutes. :D
Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.
allegedly said by Mark Twain

User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 17669
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:02 pm
Location: Frutillar, Chile
Contact:

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:01 pm

well here is an article about how the Venezuelan health crosis is spillong over on to the rest of latin america. most of this has been discussed.

interesting part that of the 5000 or so doctors that took the certification exam in chile, about half were venezuelan.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... -countries
Spencer Global Chile: Legal, relocation, and Investment assistance in Chile.
For more information visit: https://www.spencerglobal.com

From USA and outside Chile dial 1-917-727-5985 (U.S.), in Chile dial 65 2 42 1024 or by cell 747 97974.

at46
Rank: Chile Forum Citizen
Posts: 893
Joined: Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:13 pm
Location: Vancouver/Santiago

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:23 am

Interestingly, despite 288,000 Venezuelans in Chile, they got only 24 housing subsidies over the last three years. https://www.latercera.com/nacional/noti ... 8X44TX1sWw

User avatar
fraggle092
Rank: Chile Forum Citizen
Posts: 1466
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:35 pm
Location: In Chile

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:07 pm

at46 wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:23 am
Interestingly, despite 288,000 Venezuelans in Chile, they got only 24 housing subsidies over the last three years. https://www.latercera.com/nacional/noti ... 8X44TX1sWw
You may find that interesting but:
Screenshot-2019-2-17 Soy extranjero, ¿Puedo postular al Subsidio Habitacional - Subsidio cl.jpg
Did you think that subsidized housing was immediately available to all and sundry?

http://www.subsidio.cl/subsidio_habitac ... z5foCC6g2K
Après moi, le déluge

at46
Rank: Chile Forum Citizen
Posts: 893
Joined: Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:13 pm
Location: Vancouver/Santiago

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:15 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:07 pm
at46 wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:23 am
Interestingly, despite 288,000 Venezuelans in Chile, they got only 24 housing subsidies over the last three years. https://www.latercera.com/nacional/noti ... 8X44TX1sWw
You may find that interesting but:Screenshot-2019-2-17 Soy extranjero, ¿Puedo postular al Subsidio Habitacional - Subsidio cl.jpg

Did you think that subsidized housing was immediately available to all and sundry?

http://www.subsidio.cl/subsidio_habitac ... z5foCC6g2K
Well, it mentions the five year cut off in the article I posted. What I find interesting is the obvious mismatch between the number of housing subsidies given to Venezuelans and the number of Venezuelan immigrants living and paying taxes in the country. Or did you think there was only one Venezuelan qualifying for a housing subsidy in 2016, only 5 in 2017 and only 18 in 2018? That reeks of institutional discrimination, if you ask me. And that's on top of the personal discrimination talked about here on another thread.

User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 17669
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:02 pm
Location: Frutillar, Chile
Contact:

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:45 pm

that is a lie told by foriegn coyoties about "free crap" for moving to chile.

among many other requirments, it is 5 years, perment resident to qualify, another who knows how long to complete the paperwork, and five year prohibition on sales after acquiring the property. you better be serious about moving to chile, and wish to stay poor for about 10+ years.
Spencer Global Chile: Legal, relocation, and Investment assistance in Chile.
For more information visit: https://www.spencerglobal.com

From USA and outside Chile dial 1-917-727-5985 (U.S.), in Chile dial 65 2 42 1024 or by cell 747 97974.

User avatar
fraggle092
Rank: Chile Forum Citizen
Posts: 1466
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:35 pm
Location: In Chile

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 5:44 pm

Once more take the time to actually read the stuff you quote, and try joining up the dots....

Residents are eligible to apply for subsidized housing 5 years after they obtain Permanent Residence. How long from date of entry does it take to obtain permanent residence these days? In my case it took 5 years. So to be eligible now, I would had to have entered no later than 2009, yes?

But at that time Venezuelans were still living in Chávez's paradise, with no intentions of fleeing the country.
In that article you quoted, the earliest statistic is from 2010, and shows just 758 visas issued that year.

So the 288.233 figure you quote is complete rubbish. For a start the graph just shows the number of visas issued, not the number of actual residents. And newcomers are still mostly not eligible - yet. And the ones who were in-country before then have presumably found their own accommodation if they have been here for that long, (and are still here) and were probably not economic refugees either. Does this figure include persons who entered illegally, and who later regularized their situation?
Imagen-NAC-Perfil-venezolanos.jpg
And since you are bandying statistics around, what is the percentage takeup of subsidies within the eligible native population? As Admin already mentioned, there are all sorts of qualifications attached to them.
Après moi, le déluge

at46
Rank: Chile Forum Citizen
Posts: 893
Joined: Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:13 pm
Location: Vancouver/Santiago

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:37 pm

According to the article, 24 housing subsidies is the total number ever issued to Venezuelans so far. I find it hard to match with their visa numbers - they obviously didn't just start coming in 2010. And, yeah, it would be nice to compare with take up among the natives, but I've got no such data. Except anecdotal evidence of whole buildings being sold with subsidies. Since the subsidy requires the person to take on debt, and given how indebted the natives already are, it would seem not many actually qualify. Which would mean there should be more Venezuelans, provided there's equal access.

User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 17669
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:02 pm
Location: Frutillar, Chile
Contact:

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:29 pm

i have the sneaky suspicion, like many stats in chile, by the time someone qualifies they are a citizen and the databases dont even register where they are from originally.
Spencer Global Chile: Legal, relocation, and Investment assistance in Chile.
For more information visit: https://www.spencerglobal.com

From USA and outside Chile dial 1-917-727-5985 (U.S.), in Chile dial 65 2 42 1024 or by cell 747 97974.

User avatar
tiagoabner
Rank: Chile Forum Citizen
Posts: 382
Joined: Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:48 am

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Sat May 25, 2019 10:56 pm

https://www.eldinamo.cl/nacional/2019/0 ... detenidas/

It seems that a large immigration scheme was busted today. It allegedly involved an ex-governor and an ex-mayor, and the Chinese immigrants were paying USD $5000 each, for a total of over ten million. Thoughts?

User avatar
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 17669
Joined: Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:02 pm
Location: Frutillar, Chile
Contact:

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun May 26, 2019 9:54 am

here is some better coverage:

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... nores.html

that is like the third prosecution of a group of government officials from the left and bachelet for corruption related to immigration. but as you see from the comments in those articles everyone is demanding prosecution for the hundreds of thousands of haitiens.

the irony with the Chinese cases, Chinese citizens really have no problem immigrating to chile if they can comply with the other general requirements of immigration. so, basicaly these slimballs were just ripping off poor chinese.

we dont charge anywhere neer $5000 u.s. to our chinese clients to do immigration legally and by the book, and have zero rejections so far.

sounds like these guys were flying them in to Argentina to then sneak them over the boarder. why would you do that?
Spencer Global Chile: Legal, relocation, and Investment assistance in Chile.
For more information visit: https://www.spencerglobal.com

From USA and outside Chile dial 1-917-727-5985 (U.S.), in Chile dial 65 2 42 1024 or by cell 747 97974.

User avatar
tiagoabner
Rank: Chile Forum Citizen
Posts: 382
Joined: Sat Mar 04, 2017 9:48 am

Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by tiagoabner » Sun May 26, 2019 9:58 am

Thanks for the link, your gets it better. Yeah, the general population and to be really pissed off they aren't seeing prisons regarding the legendary yellow envelopes. I wonder if there's any investigation going on about that.

Post Reply