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Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:47 pm
by admin
fraggle092 wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:36 am
From today's EMOL:
In 2018, Immigrants accounted for 12% of all registered births in Chile.

There will be a backlash once this phenomenon begins to penetrate the Chilean self-absorption that is often mistaken for tolerance. Its already happening in less culturally primitive countries than this one.
have a look at those comments though under it. pretty much the stake in the heart of the socialist party, communist party, or however they try to rebrand themselves. the poor got screwed by them, and they are turning against them in a big way. it will take several generations before the new imigrants are a sufficient force to save the left in chile from it's own sucide mission. any politician that is pro-immigration now, and needs votes from a middle class or poor electorate is toast.

which fine by me. they also tended to be the biggest bunch of corrupt thieves.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:51 pm
by fraggle092
An article by Fernando Thauby published in today's El Mostrador questions the passively complicit role of Chilean authorities, and the press, in the Haitian "tourist" influx of the past few years.

Why was it allowed to continue as long as it did in the full knowledge that the operation was a fraud?
El problema es que nadie, absolutamente nadie denunció un posible delito que todos los chilenos estábamos viendo a diario y en todo el país.
And the reason it happened? Sr. Thauby speculates that it was done to highlight Bachelet's humanitarian credentials in order to assist her (eventually successful) bid for future employment at the U.N. as Human Rights Commissioner.
Coetáneamente, la ex presidente Bachelet postulaba al cargo de Alto Comisionado de las NNUU para los DDHH, y el problema de la migración y su transformación en derecho humano universal y exigible estaba en debate global. No es aventurado considerar que permitir la entrada de un grupo de inmigrantes de alta visibilidad e impacto noticioso contribuyó a fortalecer sus méritos para el cargo.
Surprising article for a publication apparently funded by the DC. Be interesting to see some reaction, but here, unpleasant truths tend to drop into black holes.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:21 am
by admin
LOCK HER UP!!! :lol:

she should have been prosecuted for the deaths from the tsunami.

yea, i just don't get the, what is the end game? what is the gain, when it is obvious political sucide?

merkel is in the same camp in the EU.

are they realy that big of true believers in marxisism, to risk their careers and legacies at all costs? for some haiten immigrants?

does not add up.

just before that last post i was thinking what the long-term effect on politics in chile.

the far left's power has been in decline for some time, this one is just the end of the old school communist, socialist, and left leaning DC. it will force any up and coming politicians, if they want to have a chance to be elected move more center right.

let's face it for about half or more of the politicisns on the left it was never about "helping the people". it was about job security and a fat pay check. they will bend to which ever direction the political winds are blowing.

i am not however sure that is a good thing. keeping that center political keel has kept chile out of a lot of trouble that many other countries in latin america have faced.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:40 pm
by fraggle092
admin wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:21 am

let's face it for about half or more of the politicisns on the left it was never about "helping the people". it was about job security and a fat pay check. they will bend to which ever direction the political winds are blowing.
More like:
let's face it for about half or more of the politicians ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶l̶e̶f̶t̶ it was never about "helping the people". it was about job security and a fat pay check. they will bend to which ever direction the political winds are blowing.

All the pols have their snouts in the same trough:

Controversial NY commercial attaché resigns
Smelling nepotism critics focused on Bachelet Coto’s young age and professional inexperience. Normally, seasoned bureaucrats from the foreign ministry or one of its branches vie in internal contests for the attaché position, which draws a CLP$10 million (US$15,000) monthly salary. But Piñera sidelined the experts.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:52 am
by admin
oh, that is nothing. the foreign affairs ministry and the consulates outside of chile have been a cesspool of nepotism and corruption for decades; never mind half the "councilors" outside chile are "honorary councils" that are not even chileans. they are foreigners that often times don't even speak spanish, let alone know much about chile.

my wife's uncle spent nearly 40 years working in the diplomatic core. among other things he was at one time the head of the U.N. mission in new york. towards the end of his career he was named special council / auditor of the foreign affairs ministry, in charge of investigating the embassies overseas. Let's just say he was forced in to retirement about 6 months after taking that job. no one was too interested in turning over all those rocks.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:23 am
by admin
well the new immigration law passed the lower house and is off to the senate.

let me caution, everything you read in the media about this law and it's current state or what it will do is probably wrong: ... ncipal/10/

like chadwick, the minister of the interior, has repeatdedly domonstrated his complete ignorance of the immigration system every time he opens his mouth. so too most of the comments you see about it under articles.

this law has a long way to go before anyone can even definitvly say what is in it.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:25 am
by admin
everyday, more human trafficking rings uncovered. 60 syrian "tourist", and no one in the bachelet administration stopped to ask what was going on? No one conducted background checks? ... is/489982/

but hey, in the bachelet's new world order, all migration is good migration, even slave labour migration.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:05 pm
by admin
Well, the return flights for Haitians being run by the government seems to be fairly popular. The government is running more flights. ... ncipal/11/

Which is probably the best way to go about it. Figure the majority that signed-up are either unhappy or could not get their feet under them, which gets a lot of the people with potential to be most problematic back to Haiti rather than on the streets of Chile, leaving those that are determined to make it here a bit more breathing room (both for the immigrants and the government).

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:25 pm
by admin
on the other front, the new "visa" for Venezuelans, does not seem to be stopping Venezuelans. ... -stem-tide
The number of Venezuelans entering Chile on tourist visas leaped to 26,181 in November, the fastest pace since March, according to the Sub-secretary of Tourism. Arrivals dipped in the middle of the year after the government introduced a rule stipulating that Venezuelans needed to apply for new visas before traveling to Chile if they wanted to find work. That measures only seems to have had a temporary impact.
Like I mentioned somewhere on the this thread before, there is a little problem with Pinera's plan to stop tourist from changing their visa status with the new law going around congress: seems no one working for him bothered to read the old law and even fewer seem to know how either would work in practice.

I don't see any signs of them making the changes they need in the new law, to eliminate the right to change visa status. Seems a bunch of Venezuelans figured that out.

What is going to be really funny, is if they get the new immigration law through, makes a big political show out of it stopping tourist from changing status, then discover the hard way it does not stop tourist from changing their status. Which will probably send them back to congress for another 30 years of debating an immigration reform.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 1:16 pm
by fraggle092
Today the government announced that it was starting the expulsion process for 12,000 unwanted immigrants.
Begs the question of how and why they were able to enter in the first place.... ... acion.html

A Venezuelan recently told me that he paid an "entry fee" of $50.000 to a PDI official in Arica on his second attempt to get in. He had been refused entry the first time.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:46 am
by admin
will be interesting to see how many of the haitens and Venezuelans are still here in say 5 years.

I bet a large chunk of the haitens either go home or move on to another country. if Venezuela stabilizes, a good portion will go home also. might not happen right away, but if there are some positive signs a lot will go home.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:03 pm
by admin
Majority of new HIV cases in Chile are foreigners the health minister says: ... ncipal/10/

That is a frigen surprise. Thanks Bachelet.

How much is that going to cost the public health care system over the next ten years?

Stand-by for all the "crisis in health care" headlines.