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Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:05 am
by admin
Happy refugee day to everyone!!!

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:21 am
by admin
eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:28 pm
I previously mentioned how lower class hoods like Lo Espejo became dominated with Haitians.

It is a fact that the "government" has placed Haitians in general as a group as more "at risk" than poor Chileans who can no longer compete in obtaining daycare and even puestos at the local feria. The local feria in Independencia RM (Karol Cariola comunista area) is now almost all run by Haitians.

They are not criminal and violent like the Colombians, but I'm quite sure their "Chilean" kids will be forming gangs and such in the next decade to counter the discrimination and bullying.

Time will tell. Yes, they are here, so deal with it...
I have actually been a bit puzzeled as to what happened to all the haitens in puerto montt and osorno area. prior to the amnesty program issuing papers, there were dozens on every street corner selling stuff. in front of the mall in osorno typically had a dozen or haitens selling stuff. now, there are a few haitens around still, but nothing like the numbers before. best theory i have is they all moved north where it is warmer. the ones that stayed, seemed to have moved out to smaller towns or more rural areas. there are a few in frutillar that seem to be sticking around. seen a few working out on farms in the area. still I would say it is only about 30% of the haitens that were around prior to the amnesty.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:44 am
by eeuunikkeiexpat
admin wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:21 am
eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:28 pm
I previously mentioned how lower class hoods like Lo Espejo became dominated with Haitians.

It is a fact that the "government" has placed Haitians in general as a group as more "at risk" than poor Chileans who can no longer compete in obtaining daycare and even puestos at the local feria. The local feria in Independencia RM (Karol Cariola comunista area) is now almost all run by Haitians.

They are not criminal and violent like the Colombians, but I'm quite sure their "Chilean" kids will be forming gangs and such in the next decade to counter the discrimination and bullying.

Time will tell. Yes, they are here, so deal with it...
I have actually been a bit puzzeled as to what happened to all the haitens in puerto montt and osorno area. prior to the amnesty program issuing papers, there were dozens on every street corner selling stuff. in front of the mall in osorno typically had a dozen or haitens selling stuff. now, there are a few haitens around still, but nothing like the numbers before. best theory i have is they all moved north where it is warmer. the ones that stayed, seemed to have moved out to smaller towns or more rural areas. there are a few in frutillar that seem to be sticking around. seen a few working out on farms in the area. still I would say it is only about 30% of the haitens that were around prior to the amnesty.
Same observation here. The many that flocked to San Antonio have moved on and/or returned to Santiago. Only one or two same daily Haitians on the nearby main road selling stuff now, they seem to get moved around by the competition Chilean street vendors. Every supermarket, construction crew, cleaning crew here has their token Haitian. So yeah, they are in Lo Espejo and the other poor Santiasco barrios living 10 to an apartment that used to house a single Chilean family impacting the colas at the local consultorias, given preference for daycare slots, preference for feria slots, and of course impacting the line at the Santiago Extranjerîa.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:11 pm
by admin
again it will interesting to see how many are still here in 5 years.

I got this distinct impression that a large number headed north, to another latin American country, or simply went home. Chile was just a jumping off point to n.america and /or Europe. a lot of nationals of countries with severally limited passports, try to use chile as a gateway to north america and europe believeing say chilean flights will be less scrutinized by immigration or whatever in developed countries; or, it will at least get them on the ground where they can request assylum or whatever.

Venezuelans on the other hand are still coming. they caught a group of 200 Venezuelans coming over the peru boarder, and they obviously did not apreciate how cold the dessert was this time of year.

u.n. claims 4 million venezuelans have left Venezuela, and the U.N. is notorious for not knowing how to count.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:09 pm
by admin
And the welcome wagon in Latin America is rappidly running out:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-48644801

Peru is implementing both passport and visa requirements this Saturday for Venezuelans. They are effectively blocking any more Venezuelans from entering Peru.

That pretty much leaves Colombia and Brazil to take on any more refugees out Venezuela.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:25 pm
by admin
It also is sort of looking like a coordinated shutout of Venezuelans. Trinidad y Tobago this Monday implemented a visa requirement, and it sounds like Ecuador is doing one too.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:47 am
by tiagoabner
Venezuelan "tourists" will now need a visa before coming to Chile, the same way it works for Haitians already.

https://m.cooperativa.cl/noticias/pais/ ... 81609.html

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:05 pm
by at46
With the US buying Venezuelan oil again and Bachelet visiting the country, the coordinated introduction of visa requirements by Peru, Chile, etc. will help keep the remaining brainiacs in so they could work on processing the IMF salvation package that's coming next.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:15 pm
by admin
tiagoabner wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:47 am
Venezuelan "tourists" will now need a visa before coming to Chile, the same way it works for Haitians already.

https://m.cooperativa.cl/noticias/pais/ ... 81609.html
that was implemented well over a year ago. it was one 9f the first countries after pinera became president. not sure what they are on about, except some lazy reporter failed to google it.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:16 pm
by admin
at46 wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:05 pm
With the US buying Venezuelan oil again and Bachelet visiting the country, the coordinated introduction of visa requirements by Peru, Chile, etc. will help keep the remaining brainiacs in so they could work on processing the IMF salvation package that's coming next.
?

that makes no sense at all.

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:59 pm
by tiagoabner
admin wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:15 pm
tiagoabner wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:47 am
Venezuelan "tourists" will now need a visa before coming to Chile, the same way it works for Haitians already.

https://m.cooperativa.cl/noticias/pais/ ... 81609.html
that was implemented well over a year ago. it was one 9f the first countries after pinera became president. not sure what they are on about, except some lazy reporter failed to google it.
There are protests at the border with Peru today due to this. Maybe it was announced previously, but it was only implemented now? Not sure, as I haven't been following this closely.

https://m.cooperativa.cl/noticias/pais/ ... 12834.html

Re: chile's migration crisis

Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:40 pm
by at46
admin wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:16 pm
at46 wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:05 pm
With the US buying Venezuelan oil again and Bachelet visiting the country, the coordinated introduction of visa requirements by Peru, Chile, etc. will help keep the remaining brainiacs in so they could work on processing the IMF salvation package that's coming next.
?

that makes no sense at all.
Someone needs to repay that debt and they won't be sending money to the IMF from Chile. If you don't think the IMF is going to step in, well, just wait for it.