Re: chile's migration crisis
proof of resources to support themselves and the family is still required.
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Just curious, and excuse me if I am being rude, but are you financially independent (all income generated outside of Chile)? I ask, because in my opinion the worst part of living in Chile is working in a Chilean company or for Chileans. Their level of professionalism is non existent and there is a lot of incompetence due to nepotism. Not to mention the laziness and excuses.mem wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 4:36 pmMy first thought was basically the same...huh? what? Whoa really? $5000 USD to just get to Chile on a tourist visa? According to the beggarly wikipediaadmin wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 3:04 pmit looks like these wankers were not only smuggling chinese, but charging them $5,000 u.s. for just a tourist visa. Are you frigen kidding me?
there was a story a few years ago about a shipping container full of chinese smuggled in to Europe, and then they just left them at the port to die. the people paid $50,000 u.s. each to die in a container.
Guess i need to step-up my advertising for LEGAL immigration from china, because we don't charge even remotely anything like that to our Chinese clients, for residency aplications. we don't even charge for the tourist visa phase, because it is free at the consulate in China.
These guys were doing nothing but running a con.
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"Citizens of China can apply for a no-fee tourist or business visa, or visit Chile without a visa for up to 90 days"
I don't get it...are these poor Chinese (empathetically versus economically) just ignorant of current immigration law betwixt China and Chile? (actually pretty likley if they cant speak/read english or spanish?) Did that $5K USD include airfare (or whatever other 'transport') and something more than a tourist visa...regardless of the lie behind it? If it did...well maybe somehow that might begin to make slightly more sense than this abject rejection of all that is sensible on the part of the victims.
I have to admit I have been somewhat puzzled at why a Chinese citizen would want to move to and live in Chile. Though, of course, I am sure many Chileans ask themselves the exact same question of me. "Why would a USA citizen want to move to and live in Chile? Is he nutz? <snark>I'd kill to get me let alone my family to the glistening perfection that is the life of living in the USA"</snark> Chileans have told me this time and time again, albeit I am paraphrasing with a twist of snark
I guess the more specific point of that question is Chile versus somewhere else...Europe or other parts of Asia.
Of course I have quite a few reasons for rejecting Europe and Asia for longterm family relocation, and likely they do as well. There is still, without exaggeration, nowhere else that ticks all my boxes like Chile. Not Uruguay, not Andorra, not Switzerland, not Singapore, not Hong Kong.
Only Chile out of all other countries on the earth. Maybe they see the same thing many of us do
It is one thing if they have resources and a plan to execute on where they are moving versus another thing where sometimes immigrants just want to mooch off the incoming state in every possible way. I mean the fewer minority that turn mooching into a science and even brag about their exploits.
To be clear...I doubt this pejorative category encompasses the affected Chinese immigrants in this story.
In my estimation, these Chinese immigrants were probably most (not all) reasonably well heeled. Wanted out of living in China. Wanted to get their money out of China, and probably could only speak and read Mandarin and/or Cantonese. They can probably read the writing on the wall of new. They probably dream of living somewhere reasonably rural where the human to square meter density ratio is less than 1.
So they wanted to buy longterm liberty and security and wanted to be in a country that was basically China friendly. If they are smart and can recognize the fundamental value that Chile provides one who lives here....just as almost all of us can relate to.
Then, honestly I can relate to a lot of that.
I am glad these scumbags are out of business defrauding them needlessly
Branson had a much more ponient say that Chileans should live by.....I did OK using it....admin wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 1:53 pmA bit off topic, but I will bite.
The only piece of advice that trickled down to me from my grandfather I never met, "work for yourself".
You are not going to get rich working for someone else in Chile, and that is pretty much true everywhere in the World.
As my old partner that was a small business finance professor use to say, "the point of working for someone else is to get them ahead, not you".
Yea, there are some "good paying" jobs in Chile (e.g. CEO of a company, politician, etc), but there is definitely a ceiling where you have to be self-employed if you want to be "rich" (however you want to define that) in Chile.
It is probably why many immigrants can do so well in Chile, because out of necessity or just personal motivation, they tend to be self-employed in some capacity. I think part of that is the nature of international migration, regardless of motive pushing someone to move, involves people willing to take risk and start over.
I always love the interview with Richard Branson, that was asked what he would do if he lost his money and had to started over. He said that he would start another business or company, and argued that working for someone else was the riskiest thing you could do because when a business runs in to trouble the boss / owner is the last person fired. The grunts on the factory floor or the secretary, are the first to go. You get the downside risk, without any of the up side rewards working for someone else.
An old economics professor I had said essentially the same thing, "we can teach people in schools everything there is to know about mitigating risk in business, but we can not teach them to take a risk in the first place".
I just have this inclination that the sorts of people willing to move internationally, are also the sorts of people that are willing to take risk, figure things out on the fly, adapt to their environment, etc. Even among refugees or people with very serious motives to leave, it still takes a leap of psychological inclination to be a adaptable risk taker to make it happen. This is supported by study after study on the subject, including among them that people after about 30 years old tend not to migrate. It is mostly a young person's game.
Non-paywall link to the article: https://outline.com/U2NAXD41southchile wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 8:32 am
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... output-gap
How do you mean keeping things up to date with the rest of the world? But yeah that's part of it, Chiles crappy immigration rules were quite outdated , when no one gave Chile a second thought that was fine.tiagoabner wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 11:50 amI wonder who's interested in keeping things as they are. Given how large the influx of immigrants has been, there should've been some politics viewing it as an opportunity to nurture a future generation of voters. I'm not sure if it's simply inaction, or if there is an underlying cause for not keeping things up-to-date with the rest of the world.
All the enchufados who batten off the current system. Why change a good thing? Good for them, that is.
This was already brought up some years ago on this forum even while the Bachelet administration was allowing this backdoor immigration to go on. No doubt the Socialists are assiduously working along those lines, after all it was a Socialist government that let them in. There may be some lingering indebtedness there to capitalize on. Probably see a lot more activity once the immigrants transition to full residency with voting rights.
Back in the early days of the campaigning for the 2018 election, this ethnic gringo PD saw the Frente Amplio type campaigners on the streets of San Antonio talking to Haitians who obviously had a ways to go before ever being able to vote. They paid no attention at all to this non-white but not black immigrant walking the same streets.fraggle092 wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 2:03 pmThis was already brought up some years ago on this forum even while the Bachelet administration was allowing this backdoor immigration to go on. No doubt the Socialists are assiduously working along those lines, after all it was a Socialist government that let them in. There may be some lingering indebtedness there to capitalize on. Probably see a lot more activity once the immigrants transition to full residency with voting rights.