chile's migration crisis

[admin]

Well, the return flights for Haitians being run by the government seems to be fairly popular. The government is running more flights.

http://www.ellanquihue.cl/impresa/2019/ ... ncipal/11/

Which is probably the best way to go about it. Figure the majority that signed-up are either unhappy or could not get their feet under them, which gets a lot of the people with potential to be most problematic back to Haiti rather than on the streets of Chile, leaving those that are determined to make it here a bit more breathing room (both for the immigrants and the government).

[admin]

on the other front, the new "visa" for Venezuelans, does not seem to be stopping Venezuelans.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -stem-tide

The number of Venezuelans entering Chile on tourist visas leaped to 26,181 in November, the fastest pace since March, according to the Sub-secretary of Tourism. Arrivals dipped in the middle of the year after the government introduced a rule stipulating that Venezuelans needed to apply for new visas before traveling to Chile if they wanted to find work. That measures only seems to have had a temporary impact.

Like I mentioned somewhere on the this thread before, there is a little problem with Pinera's plan to stop tourist from changing their visa status with the new law going around congress: seems no one working for him bothered to read the old law and even fewer seem to know how either would work in practice.

I don't see any signs of them making the changes they need in the new law, to eliminate the right to change visa status. Seems a bunch of Venezuelans figured that out.

What is going to be really funny, is if they get the new immigration law through, makes a big political show out of it stopping tourist from changing status, then discover the hard way it does not stop tourist from changing their status. Which will probably send them back to congress for another 30 years of debating an immigration reform.

[fraggle092]

Today the government announced that it was starting the expulsion process for 12,000 unwanted immigrants.
Begs the question of how and why they were able to enter in the first place....

https://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/ ... acion.html

A Venezuelan recently told me that he paid an "entry fee" of $50.000 to a PDI official in Arica on his second attempt to get in. He had been refused entry the first time.

[admin]

will be interesting to see how many of the haitens and Venezuelans are still here in say 5 years.

I bet a large chunk of the haitens either go home or move on to another country. if Venezuela stabilizes, a good portion will go home also. might not happen right away, but if there are some positive signs a lot will go home.

[admin]

Majority of new HIV cases in Chile are foreigners the health minister says:

http://www.ellanquihue.cl/impresa/2019/ ... ncipal/10/

That is a frigen surprise. Thanks Bachelet.

How much is that going to cost the public health care system over the next ten years?

Stand-by for all the "crisis in health care" headlines.

[lost gringo]

will be interesting to see how many of the haitens and Venezuelans are still here in say 5 years.

I bet a large chunk of the haitens either go home or move on to another country. if Venezuela stabilizes, a good portion will go home also. might not happen right away, but if there are some positive signs a lot will go home.

Anecdotal but I had to renew my cedula recently. Went to the PDI office in Puerto Montt to get a document stamped. It was packed with Haitens and there was a cola with out the door, estimated wait time was 3 to 4 hours. I asked and they said they were there for a residency tramite.
Five years ago when I did the same there was no one but employees in the office.

I went to the PDI office in Puerto Varas and I was in and out in 15 minutes.

[admin]

well here is an article about how the Venezuelan health crosis is spillong over on to the rest of latin america. most of this has been discussed.

interesting part that of the 5000 or so doctors that took the certification exam in chile, about half were venezuelan.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... -countries

[at46]

Interestingly, despite 288,000 Venezuelans in Chile, they got only 24 housing subsidies over the last three years. https://www.latercera.com/nacional/noti ... 8X44TX1sWw

[fraggle092]

Interestingly, despite 288,000 Venezuelans in Chile, they got only 24 housing subsidies over the last three years. https://www.latercera.com/nacional/noti ... 8X44TX1sWw

You may find that interesting but:

Did you think that subsidized housing was immediately available to all and sundry?

http://www.subsidio.cl/subsidio_habitac ... z5foCC6g2K

[at46]

Interestingly, despite 288,000 Venezuelans in Chile, they got only 24 housing subsidies over the last three years. https://www.latercera.com/nacional/noti ... 8X44TX1sWw

You may find that interesting but:Screenshot-2019-2-17 Soy extranjero, ¿Puedo postular al Subsidio Habitacional - Subsidio cl.jpg

Did you think that subsidized housing was immediately available to all and sundry?

http://www.subsidio.cl/subsidio_habitac ... z5foCC6g2K

Well, it mentions the five year cut off in the article I posted. What I find interesting is the obvious mismatch between the number of housing subsidies given to Venezuelans and the number of Venezuelan immigrants living and paying taxes in the country. Or did you think there was only one Venezuelan qualifying for a housing subsidy in 2016, only 5 in 2017 and only 18 in 2018? That reeks of institutional discrimination, if you ask me. And that's on top of the personal discrimination talked about here on another thread.

[admin]

that is a lie told by foriegn coyoties about "free crap" for moving to chile.

among many other requirments, it is 5 years, perment resident to qualify, another who knows how long to complete the paperwork, and five year prohibition on sales after acquiring the property. you better be serious about moving to chile, and wish to stay poor for about 10+ years.

[fraggle092]

Once more take the time to actually read the stuff you quote, and try joining up the dots....

Residents are eligible to apply for subsidized housing 5 years after they obtain Permanent Residence. How long from date of entry does it take to obtain permanent residence these days? In my case it took 5 years. So to be eligible now, I would had to have entered no later than 2009, yes?

But at that time Venezuelans were still living in Chávez's paradise, with no intentions of fleeing the country.
In that article you quoted, the earliest statistic is from 2010, and shows just 758 visas issued that year.

So the 288.233 figure you quote is complete rubbish. For a start the graph just shows the number of visas issued, not the number of actual residents. And newcomers are still mostly not eligible - yet. And the ones who were in-country before then have presumably found their own accommodation if they have been here for that long, (and are still here) and were probably not economic refugees either. Does this figure include persons who entered illegally, and who later regularized their situation?

And since you are bandying statistics around, what is the percentage takeup of subsidies within the eligible native population? As Admin already mentioned, there are all sorts of qualifications attached to them.