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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:02 pm

yea, I like how the article points out the Swiss are pushing it, but have one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world.

Everyone in the Chilean media is focused on the Haitians returning to Haiti, and debating how racist it is or is not; to the point the whole conversation is stupidly blatantly racist.

Again, the very fact that Chile is having this conversation is racist. There is no big bla, bla, bla in the media about all the Venezuelans (FYI, Chile did its first return flight of Venezuelans, but that got little mention in the news), the Colombians, the Peruvians, etc. It is straight up debate about how dark the skin is of the people that came; but, they don't see that.

The irony, is the media is just full of the left falling over themselves claiming they are not racists, Chile is not racist, etc, etc, while totally making the hole conversation around "immigration" about the Haitians. They are using the words "immigration" and "Haiten", almost interchangeably, on both the left and the right. Chile is so racists, they don't even recognize their racism.

There was no "immigration crisis" in Chile, until there was "(black) immigration crisis".

Unfortunately, and further evidence of the racism involve, the hole topic of immigration reform has started to slip out of the political / news conversation cycle, now that the "immigration crisis" (i.e. the [black] immigration crisis) is under control. Rather than taking the opportunity to organize and update the whole immigration system, the can is just going to get kicked down the road. Immigration system in Chile is still very broken and out of date. It is not prepared in anyway to handle the numbers that have come, or will be coming. The "crisis" did not end, it is just being ignored for a while; until, something else happens to catch the attention of the media.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:40 am

Chilean air force is air lifting stranded Chileans OUT of Venezuela. Wow, good on Chile

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti ... -in-crisis

Surprised it took these 200 this long, when we first got to Chile in mid 2015 there already Venezuelans coming to Chile on student/whatever visas because they could read the writing on the wall and want to build a life outside of VZ while they still had the freedom to do so

I guess these chileans can't buy a ticket on a commercial airplane because of the hyperinflation and all they have are bolivars? No CLP or USD

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:36 am

admin wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:02 pm


Again, the very fact that Chile is having this conversation is racist. There is no big bla, bla, bla in the media about all the Venezuelans (FYI, Chile did its first return flight of Venezuelans, but that got little mention in the news),
Wasn't that Maduro organising those fights? To bring Venezuelans back as a PR stunt? Of the half million or so here here 103 applied to go back, not a great validation of his socialist utopia it seems.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:42 am

Sorry 89 Venezuelans

Caracas, 12 nov (PL) El canciller de Venezuela, Jorge Arreaza, anunció hoy la llegada al país del primer vuelo con connacionales repatriados desde Chile gracias al programa gubernamental Vuelta a la Patria, establecido por el presidente Nicolás Maduro.

A través de su cuenta en Twitter, el diplomático confirmó la llegada del grupo de 89 venezolanos, quienes solicitaron su ingreso voluntario a la iniciativa y denunciaron discriminación y frustraciones desde la vecina nación
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Re: chile's migration crisis

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a few years ago or so I seen some articles on Chileans that had returned to Chile and how their pensions stopped being paid. They had worked for years in Venezuela, and had earned a Venezuela pension, and just out of the blue one day the checks stopped arriving.

Moral to that story, careful who the counter party risk is on your retirement savings. They are not the first government, nor will they be the last, to stiff people in retirement due to the pyramid scheme they are built on. I suspect in the coming decades, we will see a whole lot more governments pull a Venezuela as the government pyramid schemes collapse.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:31 pm

Yeah, I wonder about the comfy US expats of the older baby boom or earlier era living off of SS. Won't be pretty. Might have to do a future airlift to the Empire in the midst of collapse and civil war.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

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eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:31 pm
Yeah, I wonder about the comfy US expats of the older baby boom or earlier era living off of SS. Won't be pretty. Might have to do a future airlift to the Empire in the midst of collapse and civil war.
Not many of them here, I don't think. SS alone is just not enough to live passably well in Chile. But in Cuenca, Ecuador, just to name one, real estate will suddenly become a lot cheaper.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:27 am

yea, people just living on SS are pretty thin in Chile. Typically they have some other resources.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:42 am

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Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:02 pm
yea, I like how the article points out the Swiss are pushing it, but have one of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world.

Everyone in the Chilean media is focused on the Haitians returning to Haiti, and debating how racist it is or is not; to the point the whole conversation is stupidly blatantly racist.

Again, the very fact that Chile is having this conversation is racist. There is no big bla, bla, bla in the media about all the Venezuelans (FYI, Chile did its first return flight of Venezuelans, but that got little mention in the news), the Colombians, the Peruvians, etc. It is straight up debate about how dark the skin is of the people that came; but, they don't see that.

The irony, is the media is just full of the left falling over themselves claiming they are not racists, Chile is not racist, etc, etc, while totally making the hole conversation around "immigration" about the Haitians. They are using the words "immigration" and "Haiten", almost interchangeably, on both the left and the right. Chile is so racists, they don't even recognize their racism.

There was no "immigration crisis" in Chile, until there was "(black) immigration crisis".

Unfortunately, and further evidence of the racism involve, the hole topic of immigration reform has started to slip out of the political / news conversation cycle, now that the "immigration crisis" (i.e. the [black] immigration crisis) is under control. Rather than taking the opportunity to organize and update the whole immigration system, the can is just going to get kicked down the road. Immigration system in Chile is still very broken and out of date. It is not prepared in anyway to handle the numbers that have come, or will be coming. The "crisis" did not end, it is just being ignored for a while; until, something else happens to catch the attention of the media.
...And Switzerland bails in the UN migration pact

https://www.thelocal.ch/20181121/swiss- ... ation-pact

Color me shocked. This signing ceremony is supposed to be Dec 10-11...I wonder what countries will bail on it next.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:53 am

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:43 am

i think chile realy needs to prep for a growing enviromental refugee crisis:

https://earther.gizmodo.com/government- ... 624858/amp

most the biggest migrarion movements going on have an enviromental / political cause behind it. the war in syria is traced to draught movibg people to urbsn zones for instance. africa, south east asia, etc. i can open up my email inbox, and pretty mich map the enquiries about moving to chile from around the world to the enviromontel crisis. it is only going to excelerate.
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