chile's migration crisis

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Gloria » Sat May 05, 2018 10:08 am

How many Haitians we are talking about? 8 out of more than 100 thousand that came into the country with some civilized living habits? If they are tidy or not doesn´t really matter but the big questions is....are they employable? reliable? trustworthy?
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Julito » Sat May 05, 2018 11:29 am

The very same questions could be asked of any influx of immigrants from any country Gloria. Like all immigrants everywhere most will be employable, reliable and trustworthy, while a minority of bad apples will get all the media attention which promotes stereotypes, xenophobia and prejudice while most of the population, certainly Chile's case, has never even met much less known an immigrant.

They're here regardless the shenanigans involved to get them here and they're here to stay. Many many have found permanent work and're spending, so they're already contributing to the economy.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Gloria » Sat May 05, 2018 12:22 pm

Julito wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 11:29 am
................ certainly Chile's case, has never even met much less known an immigrant.
In this respect, unfortunately you are wrong. We´ve had many immigrants from different parts of the globe such as Spaniards, Germans, Croatians, Italians, Israelis, Palestinians, British, Americans and the list goes on. Most with their own little fortunes and their enormous business knowledge and working ethics contributing more than 100% into chilean economy. They built schools, factories and most everything you see around you. They were from the "givers" generation. Today we have the "takers" generation. The "givers" are gone and the "takers" are here to stay. No fortunes, no business knowledge, little to none working habits but expecting from the host country to change its own language to theirs and demanding equality in every sense without earning it.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by bobserb » Sat May 05, 2018 12:24 pm

Julito wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 11:29 am
The very same questions could be asked of any influx of immigrants from any country Gloria. Like all immigrants everywhere most will be employable, reliable and trustworthy, while a minority of bad apples will get all the media attention which promotes stereotypes, xenophobia and prejudice while most of the population, certainly Chile's case, has never even met much less known an immigrant.

They're here regardless the shenanigans involved to get them here and they're here to stay. Many many have found permanent work and're spending, so they're already contributing to the economy.
Are you saying that immigrants from every country form this kind of gangs?
HAITIAN GANGS IN MIAMI DOCUMENTARY 2017 : INSANE DOCUMENTARY MUST WATCH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrF35qSUpC4

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat May 05, 2018 12:36 pm

Of course, only time will prove who is right, but in the end, they are here, they will get amnesty and we will have to deal with it for good or for bad.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Gloria » Sat May 05, 2018 1:57 pm

bobserb wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 12:24 pm

Are you saying that immigrants from every country form this kind of gangs?
HAITIAN GANGS IN MIAMI DOCUMENTARY 2017 : INSANE DOCUMENTARY MUST WATCH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrF35qSUpC4
I have seen documentaries with this type of videos. They are from Dade County in Miami fearded by the police, a well known area called " pork & beans". It's a matter of time, when they get comfortable enough....after all " the leopard doesn't lose its spots" . Let's face it. We have plenty " home grown delinquents" and we don't need anymore.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Julito » Sat May 05, 2018 2:40 pm

Those waves of various nationalties of immigrants into Chile are historical. We're talking contempory here, the first large wave of immigrants for generations.

No I'm not saying immigrants from all countries form "gangs", though the tabloid media makes a welcome feast of it when they do.

I've seen and heard it all before throughout my life in Australia, one of the most multicultural societies on the planet due to continuous waves of immigration, around 400,000 last year.

When I was a kid it was "Italian crime families" and "Greek car thieves", then it was "Asian drug smugglers" and these days it's "Sudanese Gangs", when the vast majority of immigrants from those and any other country are normal productive law abiding citizens.

Zzzzzzz......

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Sat May 05, 2018 3:11 pm

So I sat next to a guy in a flight yesterday, if someone wants to try and chat I'll go along. He works for a company that specialises in all sorts of technology to do with food and beverage industry. Metal detectors across foods for safety, scales, and another division that wasn't his area, as his was more stock control through automatic weighing etc . He told me at a cheese factory for example he installed electronic weighing they now have an extra ton of cheese a month just through weighing more across production. Another division within his company brings in robots for stacking sacks on pellets, as well as many packaging jobs that up until 3 to 5 years ago they used people to do, these are all medium to large size companies in Chile that are waking up to the advantages of automation and it's happening big time already here he reckons.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sat May 05, 2018 3:16 pm

Julito wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 8:27 am
Oh so cynical, not everybody is out to exploit.
Been here long, have we?

You dodged most of my questions. Never mind.
Nice looking place you've got, btw.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by nwdiver » Sat May 05, 2018 3:33 pm

Gloria wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 1:57 pm
bobserb wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 12:24 pm

Are you saying that immigrants from every country form this kind of gangs?
HAITIAN GANGS IN MIAMI DOCUMENTARY 2017 : INSANE DOCUMENTARY MUST WATCH!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrF35qSUpC4
I have seen documentaries with this type of videos. They are from Dade County in Miami fearded by the police, a well known area called " pork & beans". It's a matter of time, when they get comfortable enough....after all " the leopard doesn't lose its spots" . Let's face it. We have plenty " home grown delinquents" and we don't need anymore.
I think the Chilean police forces are considerably better than any US regional force, and gangs need easy access to guns........that's not happening in Chile.......the home grown delinquents are easily intimidated I've found in dealing with them and I'm an old dude......
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Julito » Sat May 05, 2018 7:11 pm

Been here nearly 5 years, have worked in 4 countries and visited about 30, with only 1 in Europe. I've seen plenty of exploitation all over the world including Chile and most often it's the locals exploiting each other.

The reason I didn't answer all your questions is I don't have definitive answers to all, they're none of my business.

Regardless, thanks for the compliment on the hotel fraggle. Go to the booking.com page to read the nice things guests say about us. Getting the place actually finished and open by New Year was an intense year long lesson in Chilean culture. It's worthy of a book but I wouldn't know where to bloody start!

All forum members are welcome to stay if in the area, a chance to put faces to pseudonyms? :)

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by HybridAmbassador » Sun May 06, 2018 3:53 pm

Julito wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 7:11 pm

All forum members are welcome to stay if in the area, a chance to put faces to pseudonyms? :)
Nice rural hotel by the way. However, why stay fee are not shown in your website?
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