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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:41 pm

Seems the pdi just raided law airlines offices for fraud:
http://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/naci ... elos.shtml
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:43 pm

As of today, Timatic still says visa free entry for 90 days with the possibiity of extension for another 90 days.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:48 pm

Looks like it was global travel that filed the claim for 240 million pesos.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:11 pm

They interviewed some chilean clients that had their flights cancelled and never recieved a refund. LAW sent them letters telling them to file a complaint, but at an office in venezuela.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:40 am

admin wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:42 am
Pretty vague but they are talking about a new immigration law again.

http://www.pulso.cl/economia-dinero/nue ... tranjeros/
Hmm, so there is already a dept of Immigration, but now there will be a National Migration Service...to deal with "migrants" such as those coming from haiti

I dont quite understand how they will route incoming people from other countries to either the traditional immigration visa process or the "migrant" service process

I would be a little surprised if it was just based on "skin color darker than a mapuche" so i guess it would be based on country of origin...so a certain blacklist of countries would have its citizens funneled into nms's "migrant" process i guess?

Still I think that is unsatisfactory. It needs be based on financial resources and how much money a person is going to bring or spend in the country. Otherwise they are denied entry or shunted to refugee status.

I also wonder if this nms is designed to just "get rid of the haitians" with their questionable religion,culture, etc
But they are also surely thinking of future migrant crises...

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by frozen-north » Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:17 am

Gloria wrote:
Thank you for answering Harry2017. I totally agree with you. Those airlines have been accused of human trafficking however even though you claim....I reluctantly participate in that Chile deal as I'm not fully convinced it is a good move you did it anyway.
You see, "your guys" are here in Chile for sure illegally and we are not happy about it. They came as false "tourists". You need to understand that Chile´s a small and poor country. It has been overrated by publicity that´s not accurate. There´s hardly any industry, jobs are scarce, resentment is growing and with the overrun of Haitians that have no skills, some are coming already with illnesses, no knowledge of the language with a questionable religion and culture, plus other illegal immigrants, it has become a time bomb ready to explode and the crap is going to reach far. Trust me.
There´s no denial about it, 99.9% of chileans are racists and classist and things will not change ever. That´s how WE are, period. We have no toleration for skin darker than the mapuches. Some will make you believe otherwise by "showing you their teeth" in a smile but the truth is totally different behind doors. So knowing all that, you are exposing your siblings to the worse degradation ever.
Now, with the exodus of cowardly Haitians out of Haiti what would be the future of your country? What your people have to look forward to? What would be written in the history books for other generations? I´ll tell you....that for Haitians without any pride was easier to run away with their tails between their legs to invade other countries such as DR, Brazil, US, and now Chile instead of fighting for their own. You and yours should´ve stood up and demanded answers to the Red Cross for the US$500 millions donated for the quake in 2010 the same way as your countrymen come out to the streets in foreign soil "demanding" for immigration rights. You and yours should´ve raised your voices to your own president asking for the 2 billion 422 millions 202 thousand and 996 dollars the world has given and continues to give to Haiti. There´s where all your efforts should have made a difference versus invading other countries and taking advantage of their sacrifices that has made them what today they are enjoying.

First you accuse Harry2017 of being a participant in human trafficking (to which he already replied):
Those airlines have been accused of human trafficking however .... you did it anyway.
Then you accuse all Haitians of being cowards:
Now, with the exodus of cowardly Haitians out of Haiti what would be the future of your country? ... for Haitians without any pride was easier to run away with their tails between their legs to invade other countries ... instead of fighting for their own.
I thought that one of those many Americans that have written in this forum in the past of their reasons to leave the US, would have offered their thoughts on why they didn't stay and ' fighting for their own'.

It reminds me of some comments that were made, a while back, that the Syrians escaping the war should not escape, that they should 'stay and fight'.
A former Abbott government frontbencher has criticised male asylum seekers who seek refuge overseas instead of fighting for their homeland.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-01/l ... ht/6990738
And a familiar refrain amongst those opposed to Britain taking in those fleeing is: "Why don't they stay and fight?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02 ... 86322.html
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Gloria » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:25 pm

Because I already "said my peace" I don´t need to expand in the subject. This topic can be very hazardous to my health therefore I´m "pleading the FIFTH". If you want to continue your argument and picking every sentence all by yourself, I could take you to the "rubber room" so you can do it in your own privacy.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:28 am

So what do foreigners pay chile for immigrating?

Seems about 200 million dollars over the 7 years.

http://www.pulso.cl/economia-dinero/lle ... 2010-2017/

You would think for 200 milliin and change they could fix the immigratiin system. I dont know like, update the software built in 1996. Hire more than 150 people.

Never mind reforming the law. Fix what you got.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:31 am

So we have a Jesuit in charge of Extranjería, the Chile Supreme Court ruling what the PDI did in preventing the recent entry and forced deportation of Haitians is illegal and a conventional media which only paints a "good" picture of the flood of poor immigrants and over blows the smallest instance of supposed "victimization" and we see where we are headed in the next couple of years.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Dosedmonkey » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:20 am

admin wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:28 am
So what do foreigners pay chile for immigrating?

Seems about 200 million dollars over the 7 years.

http://www.pulso.cl/economia-dinero/lle ... 2010-2017/

You would think for 200 milliin and change they could fix the immigratiin system. I dont know like, update the software built in 1996. Hire more than 150 people.

Never mind reforming the law. Fix what you got.
Immigration fees are horrendously unequal depending on where your coming from. I presume they tried to reciprocate the other countries fees, but they got it wrong for UK if that's the case. In UK you get 2.7 years temporary visa for the price you get only 1 year in Chile. $1400 USD.

And then that is widely higher then other countries pay. Not exactly encouraging skilled migration.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:32 am

http://m.cooperativa.cl/noticias/pais/p ... 14417.html

Bit of mixed fealings about thapt ruling.

Yea, the pdi needs to appply the law equally across all foreign vistors, but on some level it basically says the pdi have no authority over who enters and who does not. Which is really at the heart of the whole immigraption crisis: chile essentially has no immigraption policy. It is pretty arbitrary, regardless of where you come from.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:43 am

And, increase in the work load at immigration:
https://www.df.cl/noticias/economia-y-p ... 24038.html

Again i believe 90% of what the department of immigration does is either not needed or ineffective. Much of their backlog is a self-inflicted wound caused by bad manegment.

Replace the whole department with a web app. Keep one secretary around for dealing with the two immigrants a year that dont own a cell phone.
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