chile's migration crisis

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:04 pm

Monthly arrivals from Haiti, fell by 53 percent just by stopping the law flights. To around 5000 in March, they had averaged between 10 and 11 thousand a month.
113000 arrived from Haiti last year 2017.
There are aprox 1 million 110 thousand extranjeros in Chile, (or roughly 6 percent of population if you say Chile has 18 million), of the extranjeros 72 percent live in two regions Santiago and Antofagasta
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:08 pm

Now wait for the protests by Haitians and Venezuelans in the streets of Santiasco.

Problem I see is the perhaps the hundreds of thousands already illegally here will now have a shot at regularizing their status and in the case of Haitians, they will have a shot at a limited number of permanent residency slots. It is still a little much too late in many respects IMO but yes, at least something is FINALLY being done.
Desde el 16 de abril, en tanto, se solicitará la obtención de visa consular de turismo simple, por 30 días a todo ciudadano haitiano que desee ingresar al país sin propósito de migración y, en paralelo, para fines humanitarios, habrá la posibilidad de solicitar residencia permanente en el país para los ciudadanos haitianos, a partir del 2 de julio de 2018. En este caso, el número de visas será limitada.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:12 am

Well it looks like the big change now is he canceled a visa type, created administratively by bachelet, that allowed people to work with a contract for 12 months, and only required a fake contract to qualify.

If the proposed law passes, then any temporary residency will have to be done through the consulates out side the country. No more entering on a tourism visa and changing to another type.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:47 am

Does this mean even retirement/periodic income temporary visas will have to apply and wait from outside the country?

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by 41southchile » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:35 am

It is very interesting watching Chile grappe with immgration issues like the rest of the world has been doing for along time on a much larger scale.
Chile has transformed a lot in the last few years with this wave of immigrants. I guess the speed at which it has happened as been what has unsettled most people and is what always seem to happen around the world, it happened in England with East Europeans it happened in NZ and Aussie with Asian immigration, the social change was too quick for many people to handle.
So the ones that are here now get to stay unless they have criminal records, is that the case? To be honest it makes scense, Chile could not logistically or financially deport the numbers of people we are talking about, so yeah if they are here now they are here untill they leave on their own free will I guess.
I guess the main message is money drives everything if you think about it, people have always profited out of others misfortune and misery and nothing about any of this is any different to what has happened around the world throughout history. It was the English that profited transporting slaves from Africa to Brazil and to the USA.
Chile is not unique but it is finally starting to register with some in Chile they have many things that a lot of the rest of the world wants, that goes all the way from the Haitian with nothing through to the American millionare, all are looking for a better life.
Just like New Zealand a balancing act is having to take place at the moment, I am not sure if the anti foreigner sentiment will be so strong here, generally its the poor and lower income earners that will be competing with all these immigrants and to be honest they are not the problem for a politician, the government can dish out a few bonos here and there and they dont vote that much either, besides all the cheap layers helps the middleclass, now everyone can have a gardner or maid to out do their neighbours in suburbia, it is when it starts to affect the middle class negatively, as has exactly happened in New Zealand, is when more problems start. Not even the middle class in NZ can afford to buy property now, and some of that anger is directed at foreigners who they see as buying up all the properties pricing them out of the market, leading to a change in rules for overseas purchasors in NZ to placate the middle class, but to be honest that horse has bolted. There is a real sentiment against rich foreigners and coming and buying up all the prime spots and real estate in NZ, here in Chile at least that hasnt happened, if you come to Chile with a bit of capital and start a biz or just want to buy a huge house and do stuff, generally no one in Chile will get upset on the contrary they welcome it, apart from of course the fringes of society and hardcore lefties who hate the well off anyway be they Chilean or from USA. Until such time as the middle and upper class are directly negatively affected, the only anger will be limited to comments sections on the internet.
Heres hoping the social tensions and racism will not be too much over the next few years towards those that are already here and some more sensible policies are going to come through
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:50 pm

If you are in chile, and your immigration status is not in order, fix it NOW!!!!

The goverment is giving everyone with a irregular status 90 days to file.

http://www.latercera.com/nacional/notic ... on/128415/

I know there are gringos reading this forum, that have been essentially illegal in the country for months and years. Dont think because you are a gringo, that they are not going to apply this to you.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Jamers41 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:52 pm

Does anyone know if this affects filing for citizenship in any way?

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Harry2017 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:28 am

I came across this info from chile.
the english version is a google translate



Proposal to the Migration Law of the Current President of Chile

Important points for Haitians:

1-Eliminate the temporary visa for work reasons from 23 April.

2-Create a "Temporary Opportunities" visa, which will be requested in the country of origin (Haiti), will be valid for 12 months, extendable once and then eligible for residency.

3-As of April 16 there will be a simple tourism consular visa for Haitians who want to come for recreational purposes, but with no purpose of migration, residence or paid activity, which will last for 30 days

4-Implement a visa for humanitarian purposes, which must be requested at the Chilean Consulate in Haiti and allow residence for 12 months. It will be the first step for a possible definitive residence and will take effect on June 2. It was also pointed out that there will be a limit.

5-Make an exceptional process of regularization of migrants who have entered before April 8, which excludes those who have a background.

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Puntos importantes para los haitianos:

1-Eliminar el visado temporario por motivos laborales a contar del 23 abril.

2-Crear una visa “Temporaria de oportunidades”, la cual se solicitará en el país d de origen (Haití), será por válida por 12 meses, prorrogable una vez y luego se podrá optar a la residencia.

3-A partir del 16 de abril habrá una visa consular de turismo simple para haitianos que quieran venir con fines de recreación, pero sin propósito de migración, residencia o actividad remunerada, la cual durará por 30 días

4-Poner en marcha de una visa con fines humanitarios, la cual debe solicitarse en el Consulado Chileno en Haití y permitirá la residencia durante 12 meses. Será el primer paso para una posible residencia definitiva y comienza a regir el 2 de junio. También se apuntó que habrá un límite.

5-Hacer un proceso excepcional de regularización de migrantes que hayan ingresado antes del 8 de abril, el cual excluye a quienes tengan antecedentes.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Gloria » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:12 am

Harry2017 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:28 am




Proposal to the Migration Law of the Current President of Chile

Important points for Haitians:

1-Eliminate the temporary visa for work reasons from 23 April.

2-Create a "Temporary Opportunities" visa, which will be requested in the country of origin (Haiti), will be valid for 12 months, extendable once and then eligible for residency.

3-As of April 16 there will be a simple tourism consular visa for Haitians who want to come for recreational purposes, but with no purpose of migration, residence or paid activity, which will last for 30 days

4-Implement a visa for humanitarian purposes, which must be requested at the Chilean Consulate in Haiti and allow residence for 12 months. It will be the first step for a possible definitive residence and will take effect on June 2. It was also pointed out that there will be a limit.

5-Make an exceptional process of regularization of migrants who have entered before April 8, which excludes those who have a background.
You read it correctly. The party´s over for the Haitians. La fete est finie! No more coming as fake tourists.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Harry2017 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:09 am

Well let see what will happen. I'm all for law and order.
Getting a visa in Haiti was always a big business. It was always a little bit of luck and mostly knowing which hand to grease.. so great opportunity maybe opening for a friend or family of a consul or ambassador near by.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Gloria » Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:35 pm

Yep, obviously you are the true poster child of law and order.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by at46 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:59 pm

Gloria wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:35 pm
Yep, obviously you are the true poster child of law and order.
Don´t blame the messenger. He's got a valid point - the potential for personal corruption is obviously greater in foreign consulates than here in Santiago.

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