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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by bobserb » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:17 am

Unemployment increase in Chile.
Sure it will increase if you inject 200K + immigrants a year in the labor market.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:55 pm

The INE employment stats are bo**ocks. They define employment as working for one hour or more per week in return for some form of recompense.
Ocupados:
Todas las personas en edad de trabajar que durante la semana de
referencia, trabajaron al menos una hora, recibiendo un pago en dinero o en
especie, o un beneficio de empleado/empleador o cuenta propia.
http://www.ine.cl/docs/default-source/l ... f?sfvrsn=4

Just like their tourism statistics that included the Argentinian shoppers and the Haitians.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:12 pm

Just the other day economy minister was saying that the influx of low skilled immigrants was depressing wages at the bottom of the employment market.

To make the low skilled chilean market feel better, he warned it is nothing compared to the tzunami of automation coming over the next decade.

Imagine how fast employers will replace the crappy passive agresive inefficent typical low skilled chilean employees, once presented with a better option?

The immigrants are just a stop-gap meassure, until costs of automation come down (and chilean companies figure out computers are for more than playing tetras to pass the time).

Hell i just fired one today, and eliminated the position permently, because that employee and the one before where such a hassle. They both did the classic passive agressive crap; followed by testing the waters with making demands after just a few weeks working for us.

The recent one refused to work a couple critically busy days, assuming we could be black mailed by being busy. We said, "no problem, you can have the rest of your life off too".

The employee then tried to walk it back. True colors were shown, and we walked her to the door.

We dont play that game.

Good employees, we super over reward in both pay and bonuses, and are totally ready to work with them when they need some time off. Unfortunatly that is about 10% of the low skilled work force in chile ( by my estimates).

Any chance i find to automate in chile is more than just money in the bank. It is like self driving cars. I am avoiding a car wreck, sooner orvlater. Yea, they might occasionally go off the road, but in a lot less ways than the humans can dream up. Computers are not very creative in the ways they fail. Humans, excell at it.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by frozen-north » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:12 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
The INE employment stats are bo**ocks. They define employment as working for one hour or more per week in return for some form of recompense.
Ocupados:
Todas las personas en edad de trabajar que durante la semana de
referencia, trabajaron al menos una hora, recibiendo un pago en dinero o en
especie, o un beneficio de empleado/empleador o cuenta propia.

http://www.ine.cl/docs/default-source/l ... f?sfvrsn=4
Just like their tourism statistics that included the Argentinian shoppers and the Haitians.
I learnt about that 'one hour a week' many years ago; probably in the late '90s. It was not too long after it was in the Canadian news that, after many, many years of articles, editorials and political speeches making comparisons of the Canadian and American unemployment rates, somebody realized that the way that the US measured unemployment was different from the way Canada did it. Somehow I also did look at the way it was done in Chile at the time, and it was different from the way Canada and the US measured it. Just by chance, two or three years later, I found that both Canada and Chile had changed it to the same way that was done in the US.

In the US:
A person only needed one hour in the prior week to be considered employed.

https://qz.com/877432/the-us-unemployme ... eed-to-be/
In Canada:
Employed persons are those who, during the reference week:
did any work at all at a job or business, that is, paid work in the context of an employer-employee relationship, or self-employment. It also includes persons who did unpaid family work, which is defined as unpaid work contributing directly to the operation of a farm, business or professional practice owned and operated by a related member of the same household

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/71-543-g/7 ... 01-eng.htm

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:25 am

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... 82664.html

Measels outbreak spreading from venezuela to brazil and colombia. Brazil is gearing up for mandatory vacination for all incoming venezuelans.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by Gloria » Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:55 am

fraggle092 wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 8:55 pm
The INE employment stats are bo**ocks. They define employment as working for one hour or more per week in return for some form of recompense.
Ocupados:
Todas las personas en edad de trabajar que durante la semana de
referencia, trabajaron al menos una hora, recibiendo un pago en dinero o en
especie, o un beneficio de empleado/empleador o cuenta propia.
http://www.ine.cl/docs/default-source/l ... f?sfvrsn=4

Just like their tourism statistics that included the Argentinian shoppers and the Haitians.
:lol: :lol:
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by frozen-north » Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:22 am

admin wrote:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... 82664.html

Measels outbreak spreading from venezuela to brazil and colombia. Brazil is gearing up for mandatory vacination for all incoming venezuelans.
In 2016, after a massive, decades-long vaccination campaign, the World Health Organization declared Latin America free of measles....

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... 82664.html
That comment is not accurate. The declaration said that *the Americas* were free of measles.

The Americas has become the first region in the world to be free of measles,

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... sles-free/
And that includes the US, where there are cases still being reported.
Two decades ago, North, Central, and South America committed themselves to rid the region of the disease.

It’s important to note, however, that measles has not disappeared from the Americas. It’s just not considered endemic.

https://www.theatlantic.com/news/archiv ... as/501887/


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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:10 pm

Hey pdi found 4 indians using chile as a transit to europe.

http://www.latercera.com/nacional/notic ... uu/118829/

The cluess shock of the pdi and the politicians is impressive.

I have 100+ emails and phone calls a month from indians alone, not to mention countries all over the middle east, trying to get us to help them do this. It has been going on for years, and only increases every month.

In all those contacts, over all the years we have been doing this, i have not had one single legit immigration client from india. Not one. Every single one, when checked was angling to do something illegal (some even just bluntly say it), and most were at best looking to use chile to get to europe or north america.

So, they found 4 in a month? And it sounds like mostly by accident?

sorry, the pdi is either in on it or totally incompetent.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by AHusband » Sun Apr 01, 2018 1:00 pm

admin wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:10 pm

In all those contacts, over all the years we have been doing this, i have not had one single legit immigration client from india. Not one. Every single one, when checked was angling to do something illegal (some even just bluntly say it), and most were at best looking to use chile to get to europe or north america.
That is surprising considering the presence that Evalueserve has in Vina.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:00 pm

According to today's Mercurio, the first official statistics for 2018 show that immigration is still increasing:
En los 74 días que van de este año llegaron al país 58.785 venezolanos (794 por jornada), 51.346 colombianos (694 cada 24 horas) y 30.433 haitianos (411 por día). En los tres casos, el promedio diario de llegada supera ampliamente al de 2017, que fue de 544 colombianos, 486 venezolanos y 312 haitianos.
Arrivals from Venezuela, Colombia, and Haiti are averaging 1900 persons per day. Thats the ones they know about that are entering officially.

http://diario.elmercurio.com/2018/04/01 ... 15443B.htm
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by HeinsonGustav » Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:27 am

So how is the situation in the south? I mean do you even realize that there are illegals present in puerto varas, osorno, futa or coihaique?
I could imagine the number of blacks in futa per year is approx 0.
To me this is an issue of bigger cities, first and fm Santiago and PuertoMt. It is the same in Sweden, Stockholm, Gothenburg, and primarily the south with Malmo are lost.
But up in the northern forests and tundra things are the same since many generations.

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by rocksana » Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:01 pm

admin wrote:
Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:10 pm
Hey pdi found 4 indians using chile as a transit to europe.


So, they found 4 in a month? And it sounds like mostly by accident?

sorry, the pdi is either in on it or totally incompetent.
I read from at least 2 other sources that they had like 50 cases so far, and not only from India

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