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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Wed May 16, 2018 10:41 pm

You know that is probably the biggest issue with the bullshit that bachelete pullled: education.

I dont even mean formal education, just any education.

Chile does not need to be importing 2018 versions of slaves. Plenty of uneducated people in chile already.

I dont care what country they come from, their skin color, etc, etc.

Education is the bottom line. I have had lots of clients that simply had very little formal education, but had the travel and life experience that more than made up for lack of formal education to be viable in chile in the long term.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Wed May 16, 2018 11:42 pm

https://www.df.cl/noticias/empresas/act ... 65837.html

This has the official statment of the djac
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by eeuunikkeiexpat » Wed May 16, 2018 11:49 pm

admin wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 10:26 pm
Seems the haiten tourist dont love chile anymore.
Damn, it will be funny when SERNATUR comes out with an astonishing drop in tourism for Chile, especially after all the developed world press releases on Chile being a prime destination < geee puuuchaa ¿WTF CTM happened? > :P
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat May 19, 2018 1:26 pm

So 46 leftist congress members have filed a claim in front of the constitutional court to block the councilar visas for haiti on the grounds it descriminates under equal protection under the law.

http://www.ellanquihue.cl/impresa/2018/ ... ncipal/12/

Which is really a strange thing to do when even the u.n. migration authority says it does not descriminate.

Why are the left fighting so hard for this one single issue?
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sat May 19, 2018 1:40 pm

Let me put it another way. Why have they not challenged the counceler visa for all the other countries that have been required to apply for a visa outside the country for years?
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by nwdiver » Sat May 19, 2018 2:52 pm

admin wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 1:26 pm
So 46 leftist congress members have filed a claim in front of the constitutional court to block the councilar visas for haiti on the grounds it descriminates under equal protection under the law.

http://www.ellanquihue.cl/impresa/2018/ ... ncipal/12/

Which is really a strange thing to do when even the u.n. migration authority says it does not descriminate.

Why are the left fighting so hard for this one single issue?
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sat May 19, 2018 5:44 pm

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Why are the left fighting so hard for this one single issue?
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Sat May 19, 2018 6:04 pm

fraggle092 wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 5:44 pm
admin wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 1:26 pm
Why are the left fighting so hard for this one single issue?
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Where is that pic from?

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by mem » Sat May 19, 2018 6:07 pm

Ah protests in haiti, pronounced IT. I actually thought someone was from Information Technology when I asked where they were from. Threw me for a loop until i realised the disdain for pronouncing H's was in more than just spanish

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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by fraggle092 » Sat May 19, 2018 6:38 pm

mem wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 6:04 pm

Where is that pic from?
Port-au-Prince.

As reported in the Dominican Republic

Picked at random from a Google Image Search.
They reported only 4 injured at that protest, so it was pretty tame compared to the stuff that goes on in Santiago.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun May 20, 2018 10:46 am

fraggle092 wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 5:44 pm
admin wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 1:26 pm
Why are the left fighting so hard for this one single issue?
Future recruits for the Chilean Class Struggle. They already served their apprenticeship back home.


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Got bad news for them. The class structure is well entrenched in chile, and i highly doubt even generations from now many haitens in chile will ever get to play.

This is a really great and very long article in the atlantic about the 9.9% of the u.s., that the author likens the u.s. class system to being more like Chile than the mythical mertocracy of u.s. lore where everyone pulls themselves up by their own boot straps.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... cy/559130/

However, what pisses me off is that old school communist / socialist left in chile that wants to drag chile's progress backwards to a time when the protest and debate was not about things like higher education, better health care, better public transportation, and so on (developed nation sort of problems); but, protests over things like food and jobs. Their power base is premised on the chaose of desperation, and the recent elections have reflected the lack of desperation they need to maintain their majority.

I was driving back from the puerto montt airport. Hanging over the road was a banner protesting guess what?

The road to the airport is too narrow, causing increasing traffic jams, and local authorities have been dragging their feet about widing the road for years. Along the same road are several thousand families in low income housing developments, and more are planned for that area, plus lots of companies expanding in to that area.

I thought to myself, "that is literally a sign of real progress".

The poor here have the luxury of bitching about a stretch of road (that is really pretty nice and well maintained, just too small), to get to the houses they now own, in the cars they own, so they can better get to their jobs and schools.

In spite of all the bitchy left retoric in chile, Poverty today in chile is a very diffrent animal than it was a generation ago. Yea, yea, lots more to be done to deal with all the poor that have slipped through the cracks, but we are now just talking about filling in cracks and not massive sink holes.

What brings me back to that article. Where it sites a study, that the averge black american has $8 of networth. Like 15,000 pesos. I am sure that there are plenty of chileans that have similar finacial profiles, but the vast majority of the poor to lower middle class in chile now have something just a little bit better off than that. They own cars, houses, have health care, retirment accounts, can read and write, etc, etc.

Just the whole debate over the AFP retirment system, puts chile in to the developed world catagory of problems. I seen a number that most people in chile will need about 100 million pesos in their retirment account to retire above the poverty line. The current number is something like 30 million average (set aside all the people that are caught between the old and new system for the moment, people that work in informal economy, etc). We are having a national debate now about how to get another $100,000 to $160,000 u.s. to every man, women, and child in Chile.

What the refugie crisis is doing is sucking the air out of that development sail. I do not buy the bullshit economic productivity argument for immigration either. That is just a thinnly vailed justification for modern slavery, both for the immigrants and the 10 to 20% of poorest chileans that must compete with those immigrants.
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Re: chile's migration crisis

Post by admin » Sun May 20, 2018 11:21 am

You know what is really suprising?

Even most of the poor in chile, fall in to about the top 10 to 20% of the richest people in the world.

Many chileans, even many middle class, are squarly in the top 1%.

It takes about $37,000 U.S. income, and about $700,000 of wealth to qualify for the global 1%. How many of those goverment homes in chile are worth less than $37,000? How many chileans have a retirment account worth less than $37,000? So on and so forth.

Chileans are overall pretty rich. Again, yes, there are a lot of really poor chileans with negative net worths; but, that is exactly my point about supressing low income wages, dilluting the resources chile has to fight the extreme poverty that remains, and overall improving everyone else's standard of living in the country. by injecting a new class of poor, that will probably become a new caste of untouchables in society, they are crippling chile's ability to reach a fully developed country status any time soon.

I believe those numbers came from the credit sueza report, but can not recall exactly where i first seen it.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/p ... -world.asp

The 2017 report is here:
https://www.credit-suisse.com/corporate ... 01711.html
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