Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

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Re: Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

Post by admin » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:36 pm

I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Re: Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

Post by dmwbmw2 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 7:43 pm

A few posts strewn through this topic give some background.i qualify for the Solicitude de Nacionalizacion, have for some 10 years but finally got around to it this year.

Long story short, they said it would be approved if and only if I was a member of the Chilean Engineers Association.

Problem is I'm not an engineer and never said I was, but it seems in any case irrelevant to me but it appears not to them.

So I have given up on the idea.

I'm not sure what isn't clear???

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Re: Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

Post by Gloria » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:09 pm

dmwbmw2 wrote:
I'm not sure what isn't clear???
It was clear as water. Clear as the skies in a sunny day. Clear as glass recently cleaned.....it was clear alright!
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Re: Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

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dmwbmw2 wrote:A few posts strewn through this topic give some background.i qualify for the Solicitude de Nacionalizacion, have for some 10 years but finally got around to it this year.

Long story short, they said it would be approved if and only if I was a member of the Chilean Engineers Association.

Problem is I'm not an engineer and never said I was, but it seems in any case irrelevant to me but it appears not to them.

So I have given up on the idea.

I'm not sure what isn't clear???
There is no law that links your profesion to citicenship. Where did they get that?
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Re: Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

Post by dmwbmw2 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:15 pm

Wish I knew.
After I calm down I will likely write a stronger clearer letter to them, questioning their decision.
Obviously they have no legal basis to make this requirement.

Nor does it make any sense.

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Re: Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

Post by admin » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:27 pm

Heeee, i think i found out why.

Was talking to my wife about it, and it is specific to enginears, regardless if you practice. All enginears need to declare to the association of enginears that they are aware that they need a license to practice enginearing in the country, even if you do not wish to practice. It is a vague obscure law that never was realy enforced, but techinicaly you are in violation of it. So they are likly just telling you needed to comply with that law, as with all the laws, to be granted your citizenship. They would likly tell you the same if you had some other infraction you needed to resolve. Yours just happened to be your profession. Again this just a guess. There might be something else that is wrong.
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Re: Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

Post by dmwbmw2 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:09 pm

Makes some sense, I didn't know that but I suspected it, but was very careful to stress that I wasn't an engineer and wasn't practicing engineering but I guess the fact I have a university degree that would allow me to do so is the overriding factor.

So it seems that on the one hand I can't get citizenship because I have a university degree while at the same time I can't get a license to ride a motorcycle because I can't prove I have Grade 8.

Only in Chile!

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Re: Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

Post by Gloria » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:07 pm

dmwbmw2 wrote:Makes some sense, I didn't know that but I suspected it, but was very careful to stress that I wasn't an engineer and wasn't practicing engineering but I guess the fact I have a university degree that would allow me to do so is the overriding factor.

So it seems that on the one hand I can't get citizenship because I have a university degree while at the same time I can't get a license to ride a motorcycle because I can't prove I have Grade 8.

Only in Chile!
As I said earlier is clear as water, immigration wants you to "earn" your way to citizenship making you jump few hoops instead of hand it to you for the asking. Now, looking at it from a different angle, what are the true benefits obtaining Chilean citizenship?.... I really would like to know.
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Re: Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

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dmwbmw2 wrote:Makes some sense, I didn't know that but I suspected it, but was very careful to stress that I wasn't an engineer and wasn't practicing engineering but I guess the fact I have a university degree that would allow me to do so is the overriding factor.

So it seems that on the one hand I can't get citizenship because I have a university degree while at the same time I can't get a license to ride a motorcycle because I can't prove I have Grade 8.

Only in Chile!
Yea god forbid there would be more people running around chile with engineering knowledge.
We would not want the local maestros to actuely start building sound structures without a license.
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Re: Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

Post by dmwbmw2 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:50 am

Gloria

The only tangible benefit to me, something which I was very careful not to say in my application or interview, is that with citizenship I can leave for over 365 days without the hassle of applying at a consulate to extend my permanent residency, which can only be done a limited number of times. Plus when my son tried to do this they hassled him so much he gave up, and now he is back in Chile several years later and he had to go through the whole temporary residence etc etc all over again, and he warns me it isnt fun.

A secondary benefit is being able to travel around SA without visas or paying reciprocity fees. Sounds like not a big deal but I have missed 2 business trips to Brasil and changed one vacation from Brasil to Colombia because of visa hassles. And have been escorted off a plane to Asuncion by PDI because my papers were wrong.

A third benefit is that I think Chile with all its faults is a pretty good place overall and after a total of 17 plus years here I could still be proud to say that I am a citizen.

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Re: Citizenship, new requirement for time in country

Post by Gloria » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:13 pm

dmwbmw2 wrote:Gloria

The only tangible benefit to me, something which I was very careful not to say in my application or interview, is that with citizenship I can leave for over 365 days without the hassle of applying at a consulate to extend my permanent residency, which can only be done a limited number of times. Plus when my son tried to do this they hassled him so much he gave up, and now he is back in Chile several years later and he had to go through the whole temporary residence etc etc all over again, and he warns me it isnt fun.

A secondary benefit is being able to travel around SA without visas or paying reciprocity fees. Sounds like not a big deal but I have missed 2 business trips to Brasil and changed one vacation from Brasil to Colombia because of visa hassles. And have been escorted off a plane to Asuncion by PDI because my papers were wrong.

A third benefit is that I think Chile with all its faults is a pretty good place overall and after a total of 17 plus years here I could still be proud to say that I am a citizen.
Totally understandable and after 17 years plus you deserve the citizenship. Now the problem is how to jump the hoops. If it's important to you I would fight it. If you play dead you won't get nothing in return. Do you live in Santiago? If you do, go to "Biblioteca Nacional" Dirección: Libertador Bernardo O'Higgins 651, Santiago and get knowledgeable on everything there is to know about those "vague obscure laws that never was really enforced" and argue your case. That's one possibility, the second would be and I'm quoting "... enroll in the Colegio de Ingenieros.Theoretically this might be possible but it would be difficult, time consuming and expensive." Did you already asked or just assuming? Possibly may be simpler than you think because you need it only for the purpose of fulfilling a requirement to obtain Chilean citizenship. Sounds so ironic to me that you are struggling so much to became a citizen and my son born in the US could have it on a silver platter and wants nothing to do with it....go figure!
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