Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

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Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by admin » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:11 am

NOTE: PLEASE ALSO READ THE FOLLOWING THREAD ON WHEN YOU NEED A RUT NUMBER FOR BUYING A PROPERTY.
http://www.allchile.net/chileforum/view ... 19&t=14370

FIRST, THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RUT NUMBER YOU RECEIVE WHEN YOU RECEIVE AN IMMIGRATION VISA!!!

THIS IS ONLY IN REGARDS TO THE TEMPORARY RUT FOR FOREIGNERS ISSUED BY THE SII (Chilean IRS). THIS IS JUST IN REGARDS TO THE RUT NUMBER ISSUED AS A TAX PAYER ID NUMBER FOR FOREIGNERS TO DO THINGS LIKE BUY PROPERTY OR A CAR.

o.k. well, there was a rather quiet, but significant change in the procedures for requesting a RUT number from the IRS. My wife just had a meeting with the team of attorneys that drafted the law and new regulations at the IRS office in Santiago.

Before any foreigner could go in the local SII office, with a passport and fill out a form. A temporary RUT number would be issued on the spot, with a more official looking card showing up at whatever address they used later (often just a hotel or hostel). The number issued was sufficient to buy a property, a car, and a few other minor things that required a tax payer ID number.

Now, you need a co-signer / contact person that is either a full permanent resident of Chile or a Chilean citizen, with an address where the IRS can serve you. There are certain legal obligations of the person, so you can't just pick anyone. If that person wishes to resign as contact person, they have to formally resign at the IRS. This DOES NOT effect foreigners that already have a RUT number. Nothing has changed for them.

That contact person is obligated to receive all official servings or notifications from the IRS. Most official legal actions in Chile, require a person be served at their official domicile.

Now, it is a good deal more of a hassle, but we understand why they did it. We have had numerous cases over the years of the IRS trying to contact foreigners that owned property for instance, but not being able to find them, and tax issues going unresolved. For example, we had a client buy a property in Chile. Five years later, just be accident, he discovered there was an IRS audit pending with attached fines, because the IRS had flagged his property because there was no corresponding income to pay for it in the system. The money was totally legal and justified, as it had come from outside the country to pay for the property. A foreign source that was not taxable in Chile. It just was not obvious to the computers at the IRS. He was about to loose his property.

So, plan accordingly.
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Re: Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by RB2 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:18 pm

If the non-resident brings a co-signer, can the non-resident still obtain the SII number right away? or is it a longer process with more paperwork now?

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Re: Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by bow26 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:53 pm

:shock: I thought they had stopped issuing these? That's what colleagues and I were told from around May last year when trying to obtain them for (I worked in HR). Not that I care any more because have since moved on to pastures new, but perhaps we just got people being awkward / not knowing the rules?

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Re: Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by admin » Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:17 pm

bow26 wrote::shock: I thought they had stopped issuing these? That's what colleagues and I were told from around May last year when trying to obtain them for (I worked in HR). Not that I care any more because have since moved on to pastures new, but perhaps we just got people being awkward / not knowing the rules?
No, they very much still and must issue these.
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Re: Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by RB2 » Sun May 03, 2015 12:07 am

Admin or anyone, can you answer this?
If the non-resident brings a co-signer, can the non-resident still obtain the SII number right away?
or is it a longer process with more paperwork now?
If the process is different now, what do I need to do before trying to get the # from SII?

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Re: Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by zer0nz » Sun May 03, 2015 3:31 am

so by the sounds of it, anyone wanting to buy a car and go around south america is shit out of luck?

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Re: Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by admin » Sun May 03, 2015 10:21 am

The process is the same as before + representive step.

For people that need a temp RUT and do not have someone in chile with citizenship or residency willing to act as a the legal contact, we do provide service where we act as the contact and request the rut for you. We can even request the rut for people outside the country before they arrive. In both cases, you do not need to go to the sii in person. We handle the request by POA.

Typically the only situations you would need one before you arrive might be if you were buying a car or a property, but did not plan to travel to chile or are under a super time constraint (e.g. less than 2 days). There might be a few other marginal or rare cases ( e.g. inheritence). Really with exception of buying a car, you should have an attorney anyway in most cases where you would need a temp rut.


This does not affect anyone that already has a temp rut. Although it may effect you if you need to renew the temp rut.
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Re: Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by zer0nz » Sun May 03, 2015 4:23 pm

admin wrote:The process is the same as before + representive step.

For people that need a temp RUT and do not have someone in chile with citizenship or residency willing to act as a the legal contact, we do provide service where we act as the contact and request the rut for you. We can even request the rut for people outside the country before they arrive. In both cases, you do not need to go to the sii in person. We handle the request by POA.

Typically the only situations you would need one before you arrive might be if you were buying a car or a property, but did not plan to travel to chile or are under a super time constraint (e.g. less than 2 days). There might be a few other marginal or rare cases ( e.g. inheritence). Really with exception of buying a car, you should have an attorney anyway in most cases where you would need a temp rut.


This does not affect anyone that already has a temp rut. Although it may effect you if you need to renew the temp rut.
still going to be a pain in the backside for people who want to simply buy a car to drive the panamericana... are you guys going to want to represent all these tourists? probably not, going to be some messy work arounds in place!

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Re: Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by admin » Mon May 04, 2015 1:02 pm

zer0nz wrote:
admin wrote:The process is the same as before + representive step.

For people that need a temp RUT and do not have someone in chile with citizenship or residency willing to act as a the legal contact, we do provide service where we act as the contact and request the rut for you. We can even request the rut for people outside the country before they arrive. In both cases, you do not need to go to the sii in person. We handle the request by POA.

Typically the only situations you would need one before you arrive might be if you were buying a car or a property, but did not plan to travel to chile or are under a super time constraint (e.g. less than 2 days). There might be a few other marginal or rare cases ( e.g. inheritence). Really with exception of buying a car, you should have an attorney anyway in most cases where you would need a temp rut.


This does not affect anyone that already has a temp rut. Although it may effect you if you need to renew the temp rut.
still going to be a pain in the backside for people who want to simply buy a car to drive the panamericana... are you guys going to want to represent all these tourists? probably not, going to be some messy work arounds in place!
Didn't say we were doing it for free. Not a charity.

If Chile was easy, we would be out of job. Luckily we always can count on Chile's bureaucracy to do what it does best: get more bureaucratic. Makes for great job security. :shock:
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Re: Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by admin » Fri May 15, 2015 6:36 pm

I had a few questions this week about amount of time this takes to get a RUT number now.

We can still obtain a RUT in one day in most cases; however, I am telling everyone just due to scheduling considerations to expect 2-3 business days for us to obtain a temporary RUT. My employees get a little ticked at me when I over book them.

Please also keep in mind, that if you are outside Santiago metropolitan area, Lakes region (X), or Region IX, you will need to sign a limited power of attorney for us to obtain the RUT at a Chilean Notary, we have to send the POA to a notary near where you are at in whatever city you are in, and then you have to mail the notarized POA to us. So, that will add 2-3 days on to the process.

If you need to obtain a RUT outside the country, expect about 20-30 days. You will need to sign a POA at your local Chilean consulate, mail that to us, and we must complete the legalization process before the POA is valid in Chile. We have to draft and send the POA to the consulate, then schedule an appointment for you to sign. That, depending on your nearest Chilean consulate, can take some time just to get an appointment with the consulate. In most cases, unless you do not intend to travel to Chile at all, you do not need to obtain a RUT before arriving in Chile. Perhaps, say you were only going to be in Chile for a day, needed to buy a car or a property, then it might be worth doing before you arrive. Essentially, you have a highly time sensitive task.
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Re: Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by zer0nz » Fri May 15, 2015 8:51 pm

admin wrote:I had a few questions this week about amount of time this takes to get a RUT number now.

We can still obtain a RUT in one day in most cases; however, I am telling everyone just due to scheduling considerations to expect 2-3 business days for us to obtain a temporary RUT. My employees get a little ticked at me when I over book them.

Please also keep in mind, that if you are outside Santiago metropolitan area, Lakes region (X), or Region IX, you will need to sign a limited power of attorney for us to obtain the RUT at a Chilean Notary, we have to send the POA to a notary near where you are at in whatever city you are in, and then you have to mail the notarized POA to us. So, that will add 2-3 days on to the process.

If you need to obtain a RUT outside the country, expect about 20-30 days. You will need to sign a POA at your local Chilean consulate, mail that to us, and we must complete the legalization process before the POA is valid in Chile. We have to draft and send the POA to the consulate, then schedule an appointment for you to sign. That, depending on your nearest Chilean consulate, can take some time just to get an appointment with the consulate. In most cases, unless you do not intend to travel to Chile at all, you do not need to obtain a RUT before arriving in Chile. Perhaps, say you were only going to be in Chile for a day, needed to buy a car or a property, then it might be worth doing before you arrive. Essentially, you have a highly time sensitive task.
Is spencer global going to be the sponsor for every person who wants to buy a car and leave the next day to never return? or are you asking that every person finds there own sponsor?

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Re: Temporary RUT for Foreigners Change (NOT VISA RELATED)

Post by admin » Sat May 16, 2015 1:43 am

sure, why not?

We had a meeting with the SII. We have a tested system worked out (think we have about a dozen+ RUT numbers so far requested and received without a problem, and currently several per week for one reason or another). The system was carefully approved by the heads of the legal department of the SII, directly with the government lawyers that wrote the regulations in the first place. That includes a system the SII legal department approved and recommended (including legal department contacts) for dealing with the low level bureaucrats that simple don't understand the changes (there is always more than a few that did not read the memo).

We include in our service one year of legal representation before the SII when you hire us to handle requesting a temporary RUT number. For most purposes, that is way more than is needed for anyone doing just about anything they are allowed to do under a temporary RUT for foreigners. So, for buying a car or buying a property, it will be just fine.

I am not going to post our prices. I simply don't do that for anything on the forum. You can contact me for a quote for your specific situation.

That said, here is what you really need to know to decide to hire us to handle requesting a temporary RUT number for foreigners:

If you do not have a RUT number, and:

A) have absolutely no one in Chile that is either a permanent resident or a citizen willing to go with you to the SII office and be your legal representative, then we can handle it.

B) Even if you do have someone, but simple don't want to be bothered with going to the SII office, then we can handle it.

On some level, our new process is easier than the old process, because you don't need to go. A bit more expensive (again, running a business here, not a charity), but easier in most cases. You only need to be able to get to a Chilean Notary in most cases. In most major urban areas, and even many smaller urban areas, there is one on just about any street corner. We can coordinate to have a POA sent to any notary in Chile for you to sign. We handle the rest. Some of the more remote regions they are little bit further apart, but still easier to deal with than the regional Sii office and more common.

For those outside the country, with some reason to need a RUT number (e.g. your buying a property but can not travel to Chile, buying a car, forming a company), the process really is not all that much different. You would have had to go to Chilean consulate (or legalize your local notaries signature according to Chilean law), for whatever it was you were doing anyway (e.g. have someone else sign a buy / sale agreement for a property on your behalf). We have been requesting RUT numbers as standard procedure from the SII office via POA for years when we handle business for clients that are out of the country. We often did it for clients inside the country, so as they would not have to be bothered with making a trip to the Sii also. So, really not all that different, other than we are now taking on some more formal legal responsibility to be the contact between the foreigner and the Sii on an official level. Before, we just sort of acted informally as the Sii contact, keeping track of whatever tax related stuff that might be relevant to a client's project and getting in contact with them. There is a good deal more legal responsibility and work involved on our end now, as the official legal contact, but as far as foreigners are concerned it really is not all that different.

If you want to hire us to get a RUT to buy a car, and leave the country to never be seen again, fine with us.
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