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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby Britkid » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:23 pm

Looking at the historical list of so-called faithless electors, this was mostly ancient history, in or prior to 1912. From 1916 to present day, the electoral college voters have always voted the way they were expected, with at most only one person doing otherwise in any given year.

And in this case we need about 30 people to change their vote. I don't see it. I think we will get in the range of 2 to 5 people that are expected to vote for Trump not doing so, or at the very most around 10. I would be very surprised if we get more than that.
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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby john » Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:46 pm

Alas, we will be flying blind...

Trump team doomed to repeat Bush's mistakes
http://www.edition.cnn.com/2016/12/19/o ... index.html
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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby seawolf180 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:01 pm

Britkid wrote:Looking at the historical list of so-called faithless electors, this was mostly ancient history, in or prior to 1912. From 1916 to present day, the electoral college voters have always voted the way they were expected, with at most only one person doing otherwise in any given year.

And in this case we need about 30 people to change their vote. I don't see it. I think we will get in the range of 2 to 5 people that are expected to vote for Trump not doing so, or at the very most around 10. I would be very surprised if we get more than that.

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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby john » Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:07 pm

seawolf180 wrote:
Britkid wrote:Looking at the historical list of so-called faithless electors, this was mostly ancient history, in or prior to 1912. From 1916 to present day, the electoral college voters have always voted the way they were expected, with at most only one person doing otherwise in any given year.

And in this case we need about 30 people to change their vote. I don't see it. I think we will get in the range of 2 to 5 people that are expected to vote for Trump not doing so, or at the very most around 10. I would be very surprised if we get more than that.

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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby seawolf180 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:03 pm

john wrote:
seawolf180 wrote:
Britkid wrote:Looking at the historical list of so-called faithless electors, this was mostly ancient history, in or prior to 1912. From 1916 to present day, the electoral college voters have always voted the way they were expected, with at most only one person doing otherwise in any given year.

And in this case we need about 30 people to change their vote. I don't see it. I think we will get in the range of 2 to 5 people that are expected to vote for Trump not doing so, or at the very most around 10. I would be very surprised if we get more than that.

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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby papageno » Tue Dec 20, 2016 12:27 am

The Clinton archipelago (courtesy of ZeroHedge):


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/ ... linton.jpg

Crap, maybe some day I'll get this linking thing figured out. Anyhow, it's worth a laugh or two..

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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby Britkid » Tue Dec 20, 2016 9:18 am

Well, well, more faithless electors for Clinton than Trump!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... pe=article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless ... tion,_2016

Who are these supposed democratic representatives voting for Colin Powell? wtf?

Really, if the next election result is very, very close in electoral college votes we will get chaos! Reform urgently needed! So get on with it now rather than waiting for some election disaster to actually happen!
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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby john » Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:22 pm

Yes, it's long overdue to end this antiquated and inherently discriminatory system of electing the U.S. President.

Time to End the Electoral College
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/opini ... llege.html

- Wyoming resident's vote counts 3.6 times as much as a Californian's. -
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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby bert.douglas » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:49 pm

john wrote:Yes, it's long overdue to end this antiquated and inherently discriminatory system of electing the U.S. President.

Time to End the Electoral College
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/opini ... llege.html

- Wyoming resident's vote counts 3.6 times as much as a Californian's. -

No way you can get 3/4 of the states to approve such an amendment to the constitution.

Anyway, unconstrained democracy is not a great idea. See Socrates.

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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby frozen-north » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:20 pm

john wrote:
Time to End the Electoral College
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/opini ... llege.html



Interesting article.


There is an elegant solution: The Constitution establishes the existence of electors, but leaves it up to states to tell them how to vote. Eleven states and the District of Columbia, representing 165 electoral votes, have already passed legislation to have their electors vote for the winner of the national popular vote.



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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby john » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:44 pm

bert.douglas wrote:
john wrote:Yes, it's long overdue to end this antiquated and inherently discriminatory system of electing the U.S. President.

Time to End the Electoral College
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/opini ... llege.html

- Wyoming resident's vote counts 3.6 times as much as a Californian's. -

No way you can get 3/4 of the states to approve such an amendment to the constitution.

Anyway, unconstrained democracy is not a great idea. See Socrates.


No doubt it would be extremely difficult to approve an amendment to the constitution. However, as referenced in frozen-north's response, the best approach to achieving a "one person, one vote" outcome is via the National Popular Vote bill (http://www.nationalpopularvote.com).

I don't accept your premise that the presidency should not be decided by the candidate who wins the popular vote.
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Re: The Trump Administration

Postby Billhere » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:59 pm

Just picked up a piece on the BBC news where they were comparing fortunes of the USA and the UK as regards loss of manufacturing and jobs that started some years ago in the Reagan and Thatcher era.

They were interviewing a member of the pubic from Pennsylvania who was saying they had been promised mining jobs to dig out 'the best coal in the world'. He was saying he expected it to start within a hundred days of Trump taking office. The thing is he believed it, I hope he isn't disappointed, but I suspect he will be like millions of others and will be.


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