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Re: Evo Evicts Evil...!

Postby thisisreallycomplicated » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:48 am

Ripsigg wrote:
seawolf180 wrote:
And one other thing, Ex Guanton Culeado,
It's your "blame it all on the other guy thinking," that has allowed insurance companies to milk....everyone!, because of the frivolous lawsuits based on irresponsible, opportunistic, thinking like yours. Aren't you planning on suing??
"I wasn't a pig (WAH WAH :cry: :cry: )....I was poisoned :idea: :twisted:" ???
BULL SHIT!


You couldn't rest without trying to get an insult in? Don't worry I have thicker skin than that. I am only engaging you here because it is humorous. You have an axe to grind and I think a few other posters already know that.

I believe everyone needs to take responsiblity for their own actions. I drank a toxic substance and I got damaged by it. I didn't understand how toxic it was and how addicitve it was. My fault. I should have educated myself on the dangers of coca cola. How I could do that when I was 2 years old, well, you were reading scientific literature at 2 years old, weren't you? My bad! :)

I was never an overeater, I merely ate too much of the wrong stuff and not enough of the right stuff. Of course, you think it's alright for the government to enact laws that make a twinkie cheaper than a carrot or a pound of beef cheaper than a pound of tomatoes. Or a bottle of coke cheaper than a bottle of water. I'm against that as much as I am government telling people that they can't consume something. That's right, I am a libertarian and I am certain that you can't get your head around that.

You can't because you are a Republicrat who thinks that the government should support corporations and screw the people over. Inventing little control mechanisms(banning coke cups of more than 16 ounces) to go along with their other initiatives(subsidizing coca cola production). They create problems with their laws and then attempt to show people they are doing something about the problem by passing laws to restrict personal rights. It's just not about Coca Cola but a lot of other things.

You still havent been able to address at all my statement that Coca Cola has a right to advertise how good their products are as much as I have a right to say that there products are junk and deadly.

You seem perfectly happy with protecting corporate rights at the expensive of personal rights. You are using thinly veiled insults against me in order to try to prove your point. Go ahead, this is not like other boards and most users can see through your BS.

Famous Ghandi quote: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." (or something like that)
I think they're somewhere between step 2 and 3. But Ripp already won.
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Re: Evo Evicts Evil...!

Postby frozen-north » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:00 am

PX:
>I was indirectly and perhaps too subtly promoting cost-benefit analyses and other >objective measures, including some objective health-benefit concepts, than rather >than the usual emotional voodoo of political correctness.

It seems that the part about Ralph Nader was not quite accurate. But yes, focusing only on one particular product is misleading. The problem is bigger than just Coca-Cola or soft drinks. I would guess that using one particular product could be used as a catch-phrase, as long as we don't forget the rest.
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Re: Evo Evicts Evil...!

Postby frozen-north » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:06 am

thisisreallycomplicated:
>Famous Ghandi quote: "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they >fight you, then you win." (or something like that)
>I think they're somewhere between step 2 and 3. But Ripp already won.

Poor arguments, vulgarities and bad Spanish. Yep, I agree with thisisreallycomplicated.
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Re: Evo Evicts Evil...!

Postby wardo1234 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:32 am

Ripsigg wrote:
wardo1234 wrote:I'm just saying give up on the attitude that blames (whether partially or fully) advertising and low prices for you drinking too much Coke. I think people mistake rights with should too much.


Furthermore, wardo, you are a hypocrite. You and I both know that the corn industry(and HFCS) is one of the biggest recipients in US government assistance out there. Coca Cola's low prices are supported by government subsidies on their two main ingredients, sugar and water. The government is out there encouraging the consumption of Coca Cola and that you have no problem with, but if someone tries to point out that the US shouldn't be encouraging people to eat the junk, you get all defensive.

Maybe YOU should start being responsible for YOUR actions before trying to claim that others need to be. One thing is clear, you are still a Republicrat.


The U.S. government can encourage me to do whatever they want, doesn't mean I am going to do it. I have a problem with the government encouraging/subsidizing anything, but how does that make your choice to drink Coke any less your choice? I have not had a Coke in a few weeks. Do you want to know why? I decided not to. OMG what a revelation. We all have free choice. I think government subsidies are just a form of legalized theft and should be done away with entirely, but I also think that adults should be capable of making their own choices. Furthermore your point about you not buying coke if it was $250 a bottle is pointless. So you want Coke to charge you a couple extra hundred dollars so that you don't have to have self control? I mean you say you don't drink Coke now. Has Coke suddenly started selling for $250, or did you simply decide to stop drinking it? Unless Chilean Coke is way overpriced then I imagine you decided to stop on your own. As far as calling me a republicrat, I'm not sure how advocating personal responsibility makes me a republicrat? I can tell you that both Republicans and Democrats dislike me and my views (they have told me to my face). If you want to call me names at least come up with some kind of reasoning....
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Re: Re: Evo Evicts Evil...!

Postby seawolf180 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:36 pm

Sorry about the rudness last night Rip.
Just had shoulder surgery and couldnt sleep for the pain, meds and frozen Coke icepacks not quite enough to get comfortable. Im recoverig from the consequences of my own excesses also.
That doesnt excuss being rude, but might explain it.
Agree to disagree.
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Re: Re: Evo Evicts Evil...!

Postby Ripsigg » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:14 am

seawolf180 wrote:Sorry about the rudness last night Rip.
Just had shoulder surgery and couldnt sleep for the pain, meds and frozen Coke icepacks not quite enough to get comfortable. Im recoverig from the consequences of my own excesses also.
That doesnt excuss being rude, but might explain it.
Agree to disagree.


No worries, seawolf, I know you're a good man. We all have those days. :mrgreen: Get to feeling better.
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Re: Evo Evicts Evil...!

Postby Ripsigg » Thu Aug 09, 2012 2:25 am

wardo1234 wrote:The U.S. government can encourage me to do whatever they want, doesn't mean I am going to do it. I have a problem with the government encouraging/subsidizing anything, but how does that make your choice to drink Coke any less your choice? I have not had a Coke in a few weeks. Do you want to know why? I decided not to. OMG what a revelation. We all have free choice. I think government subsidies are just a form of legalized theft and should be done away with entirely, but I also think that adults should be capable of making their own choices. Furthermore your point about you not buying coke if it was $250 a bottle is pointless. So you want Coke to charge you a couple extra hundred dollars so that you don't have to have self control? I mean you say you don't drink Coke now. Has Coke suddenly started selling for $250, or did you simply decide to stop drinking it? Unless Chilean Coke is way overpriced then I imagine you decided to stop on your own. As far as calling me a republicrat, I'm not sure how advocating personal responsibility makes me a republicrat? I can tell you that both Republicans and Democrats dislike me and my views (they have told me to my face). If you want to call me names at least come up with some kind of reasoning....


You missed the point Wardo and you are inventing things.

Let me make this simple: I willingly drank coke(with media and government encouragement) and it was a leading cause of my health problems and now that I've stopped drinking it I am a lot healthier. It's junk and the government shouldn't subsidize its production. I also believe that it is my right to tell anyone who will listen that the stuff is poisonous and will kill you in time.

What specifically do you disagree with? Please don't invent things, tell me specifically what I have said(not what you think I mean) that is so wrong? (In the past you compared me to Bloomberg and his plan to restrict people from drinking coke)

Or are you just disagreeing with me because you've pigeonholed me in a certain way and have to make it fit. (I've been here on this board since 2006)
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Re: Evo Evicts Evil...!

Postby wardo1234 » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:05 pm

Ripsigg wrote:
wardo1234 wrote:The U.S. government can encourage me to do whatever they want, doesn't mean I am going to do it. I have a problem with the government encouraging/subsidizing anything, but how does that make your choice to drink Coke any less your choice? I have not had a Coke in a few weeks. Do you want to know why? I decided not to. OMG what a revelation. We all have free choice. I think government subsidies are just a form of legalized theft and should be done away with entirely, but I also think that adults should be capable of making their own choices. Furthermore your point about you not buying coke if it was $250 a bottle is pointless. So you want Coke to charge you a couple extra hundred dollars so that you don't have to have self control? I mean you say you don't drink Coke now. Has Coke suddenly started selling for $250, or did you simply decide to stop drinking it? Unless Chilean Coke is way overpriced then I imagine you decided to stop on your own. As far as calling me a republicrat, I'm not sure how advocating personal responsibility makes me a republicrat? I can tell you that both Republicans and Democrats dislike me and my views (they have told me to my face). If you want to call me names at least come up with some kind of reasoning....


You missed the point Wardo and you are inventing things.

Let me make this simple: I willingly drank coke(with media and government encouragement) and it was a leading cause of my health problems and now that I've stopped drinking it I am a lot healthier. It's junk and the government shouldn't subsidize its production. I also believe that it is my right to tell anyone who will listen that the stuff is poisonous and will kill you in time.

What specifically do you disagree with? Please don't invent things, tell me specifically what I have said(not what you think I mean) that is so wrong? (In the past you compared me to Bloomberg and his plan to restrict people from drinking coke)

Or are you just disagreeing with me because you've pigeonholed me in a certain way and have to make it fit. (I've been here on this board since 2006)


Ehh, Bloomberg wasn't the best comparison as you didn't express any desire to ban it. I was concerned with the general attitude that takes responsibility away from the individual which is what led to Bloomberg’s ban. The point I was trying to make (an apparently failed at) was that there is always going to be government mischief that promotes bad things, but that doesn't relieve us of the responsibility of our own choices (unless actual coercion is used). The attitude I objected to was the idea that you or anyone else is somehow under the control of Coca-Cola. If you are simply speaking out about the health effects then Ill support you in that function (otherwise I would have to criticize my own Mother as she hates the stuff as well). I was more concerned with the attitude that tries to take blame away from the individual when there is no coercion going on. If I misinterpreted what you were saying than I’m sorry. I also am critical of Coca-Cola being singled out. If we are going to criticize that it should apply to any junk food company as they are all inevitably benefited by some subsidy. I was never trying to be an apologist for Coca-Cola or Government subsidies, I just think it doesn’t relieve the individual of responsibility even one iota.
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Re: Evo Evicts Evil...!

Postby thisisreallycomplicated » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:13 pm

wardo1234 wrote:I also am critical of Coca-Cola being singled out. If we are going to criticize that it should apply to any junk food company as they are all inevitably benefited by some subsidy.

You have to start somewhere. Ripp's just one guy. And Coca-Cola's a pretty big company. Sometimes you just have to pick your battles, because there are way too many to take on single-handedly, all at once. But like you said, it should apply to any junk food company, like maybe some of those baby food and breakfast cereal companies targeting the health of children, too young to know any better.
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Re: Evo Evicts Evil...!

Postby frozen-north » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:49 pm

wardo1234 wrote:
>I was more concerned with the attitude that tries to take blame away from the >individual when there is no coercion going on.

I wonder where would be the balance. Should the individual be the only one to decide? What limits could the government/society inplement? If it was up to the individual, Should all drugs be legal? Only some of them? What about tobacco?
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