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"No" - (a 2012 Chilean film)

Postby greg~judy » Tue Jul 31, 2012 7:40 am

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Garcia Bernal feels Chile's pain in latest film

SANTIAGO, Chile — Gael Garcia Bernal, best known for his role as a young Ernesto "Che" Guevara in "The Motorcycle Diaries," says his latest film has taught him a great deal about the pain that Chileans suffered during a long dictatorship.

The Mexican actor stars in "No," which revisits a publicity campaign that helped oust Gen. Augusto Pinochet from power after 16 years of his brutal regime.

Garcia Bernal plays Rene Saavedra, an advertising hotshot, drawn into a 1988 referendum TV campaign who tries to persuade people to vote "No" to eight more years of Pinochet. His character uses adverts that feature catchy jingles, a rainbow graphic and dancing Chileans — from cowboys and housemaids to cooks and miners — to sell them the idea that positive change could end the regime.

The publicity stunt worked when the strongman, who once compared himself to the best Roman emperors, was ousted with 55 percent of people voting "no." Pinochet's removal paved the way for the country's return to democracy and more than two decades of economic prosperity.

Garcia Bernal said he grew up with a group of Latin American exiles but didn't fully understand their suffering until he shot the film about the referendum in Chile.

"This made me realize the profound pain caused by the dictatorship and it hit me hard," he told The Associated Press ahead of the film's premiere in Santiago on Monday. "The director wanted to make a movie about the history of what went on in 1988, as well as an introspection and reflection on democracy."

Chile remains highly divided over Pinochet's rule. Even the mere mention of his name makes many Chileans cringe with the memories of him shutting down Congress, outlawing political parties and sending thousands of dissidents into exile, while his police tortured and killed thousands more.

But to his loyalists, Pinochet remains a fatherly figure who oversaw Chile's growth into economic prosperity and kept it from becoming a socialist state. Chile's government estimates that 3,095 people were killed during Pinochet's rule.

"Before this campaign no one dared to talk, so when they were finally given a chance, the knee-jerk reaction could have been let's tell the world about everything that's wrong with Pinochet — his countless atrocities and about those who have died. But the minds behind the campaign said 'no,' let's use another way," Pablo Larrain, the film's director told the AP.

"They said— the way to oust Pinochet is to show something positive about what would come next, to tell people: 'the happiness is coming,' and that was the turning point. The dictatorship was dumbfounded, they didn't know how to react and a very original campaign came from this that finally defeated Pinochet."
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Re: "No" - (a 2012 Chilean film)

Postby seawolf180 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:55 pm

More pre 1973 selective amnesia.
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Re: "No" - (a 2012 Chilean film)

Postby Donnybrook » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:36 pm

seawolf180 wrote:More pre 1973 selective amnesia.



Were you here in the 70s, before 73 or after?
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Re: "No" - (a 2012 Chilean film)

Postby PCSM » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:42 pm

I have cuico friends, many who vote RN or UDI in fact. Not a one will cop to being a Pinochetista. Even the right abandoned Pinochet at the end. Only a small segment of Chilean society seems to celebrate the legacy of Pinochet or deny the gross violations of human rights. I listen to a lot of I Love Chile radio and have heard some harrowing stories in the past. And most of my friends are quite happy with the status quo of concertacion governments before this present one. It was business as usual and most have done quite well.
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Re: "No" - (a 2012 Chilean film)

Postby Putenio » Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:04 pm

I was here in 1989. The streets of Santiago were quiet on December 14: Buchi vs. Errazuriz vs. Aylwin. If actions speak louder than words, the silence was deafening. From my perspective, people were concerned about how it would turn out. People stayed inside. I explored downtown, the Plaza de Armas, and there was hardly anyone to be seen. No sounds of cars. I didn’t have to think twice about crossing streets. In contrast, when the results were announced the streets filled with people. The euphoria of the NO campaign was present. From the Hollywood stars who did cameos in the advertisements saying congratulations to the catchy tune being sung in the crowd, I perceived a sense of relief. I also perceived a sense of disbelief, as if it wasn’t real, as if it would be snatched away.

Disclaimer: No comment offered on the politics of the day – simply first person observations.
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"No"flier

Postby Andres » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:20 pm

We moved to another apartment this week. While going through old papers, my polola came across a "No" flier. Outside and inside images attached.
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Postby Andres » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:21 pm

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Re: "No" - (a 2012 Chilean film)

Postby Donnybrook » Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:56 pm

An interesting analysis and probably not far off, if at all. I was here but not voting. You are definitely right about people saying which way they were going to vote depending on their audience, and not just to foreign news crews. It was going to matter, if people knew or thought they knew, how you had voted once there was a winning side. Some were quite open about it and had heated arguments with family or friends, most kept their decision close to their chest. I also agree that some did not know, until pencil descended on paper, which box they would tick.

Several things might have influenced people to tick NO. Remember it was the first time anyone had voted since 1970 - I don't count the 1980 "voting" for the constitution. Perhaps some memory of what it was like to enter a voting booth with nothing but paper, pencil and conscience remained. Of the people I knew who shared - and of those the ones I think were being honest with me - both before and after the voting, I think the single word I heard most was "basta", enough. For some that meant the relatively small things which hedged them in, took away their choices; for others it was about death and disappearance. There was a feeling across the spectrum that 19 years was sufficient. I am quite sure my friend who had a photo of Pinochet above her bed voted Sí. But there were others, who had welcomed the intervention of the military in 1973, who now felt it had been long enough. Others, like Piñera, openly and actively campaigned for the NO. They were taking a big risk.

Remember that the depth of Pinochet's corruption was as yet unknown. As far as anyone knew, it was a clean government. It was, I suppose, except for Pinochet himself. Admiral Merino still lived in the same house in 1989 as he had in 1970. Over the years there have been periodic events which have meant people can re-evaluate how they feel (P's arrest, the exposure of his vast fortune) but that Sí/No vote was definitely virgin territory, with more unknown than known.

It was a very long time after the result before most spoke too much about it. There was a feeling that the whole thing could be wiped out by decree and, in fact, Pinochet was thinking of doing just that until his civilian advisors explained that it was all over. It wasn't really, because you found his finger in every pie right up to his arrest in London. That for me was the event which finally finished off Pinochet. He had no real power after that.

I hope to see the film soon. I thought Machuca was good at capturing a feel for the time of the golpe so I will be interested to see if this film does the same for 1989.
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Re: "No" - (a 2012 Chilean film)

Postby Vicki and Greg Lansen » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:15 pm

At the time of the vote, was the any hint of the "disappearances"' or abuses by Pinochet? Or was this much later?
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Re: "No" - (a 2012 Chilean film)

Postby atacama78 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:34 pm

Vicki and Greg Lansen wrote:At the time of the vote, was the any hint of the "disappearances"' or abuses by Pinochet? Or was this much later?


In 1977, I was in 4º medio in Antofagasta. At that time, four years after the golpe, Antofagasta was under a virtual state of seize. Military patrols prowled the streets during the toque de queda. They had live fire orders to anyone on the streets during the curfew. Almost every night we could hear shots in the poblaciones above town. My friend Jesse from California was shot at while trying to sneak home during the toque. Three of my classmates' fathers disappeared. One of my classmates, David, whose father was a junior officer in the military, committed suicide that year with his father's side arm. We held his funeral in our high school's Salon de Actos. I sometimes wonder if he suspected what his father might be involved in. During the summer of 1977/1978, there was a plebiscite to decide if the junta or the UN ran the country. My family was so frightened that we spent the weekend at the beach in case violence ensued in Antofagasta. Thank God the Pinochet vote won with about 98% of votes cast. Upon learning that I was returning to the US, an old man who I knew at the bakery where I bought bread, said, "You need to tell gringos how it really is here and what they have done to us." His eyes teared.

I attended a massive "NO" rally near the Mercado Central in Antofagasta on my honeymoon during the winter of 1988. It is one of the proudest moments of my life. Those around me nudged each other to look at a gringo voicing his opinion about Pinocho. And why not? - I had been detained three times under the Pinochet dictatorship.
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Re: "No" - (a 2012 Chilean film)

Postby frozen-north » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:25 am

atacama78:

>During the summer of 1977/1978, there was a plebiscite to decide
>if the junta or the UN ran the country. ....Thank God the
>Pinochet vote won with about 98% of votes cast.

The military government created a climate of fear in Santiago as well. It created rumors of future revenge against its opponents. It held an unconstitutional plesbicite to claim that it had full support from the citizens. At the time it had been criticized by the UN for its human rights violations, and it was also being investigated for its links to the assasination of Osvaldo Letelier in Washington, D.C.

More:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Letelier>
<http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscito_nacional_de_Chile_de_1978>
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Re: "No" - (a 2012 Chilean film)

Postby atacama78 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:39 am

frozen-north wrote:atacama78:

>During the summer of 1977/1978, there was a plebiscite to decide
>if the junta or the UN ran the country. ....Thank God the
>Pinochet vote won with about 98% of votes cast.

The military government created a climate of fear in Santiago as well. It created rumors of future revenge against its opponents. It held an unconstitutional plesbicite to claim that it had full support from the citizens. At the time it had been criticized by the UN for its human rights violations, and it was also being investigated for its links to the assasination of Osvaldo Letelier in Washington, D.C.

More:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando_Letelier>
<http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebiscito_nacional_de_Chile_de_1978>


Exactly! Of course, El Mercurio only referred to UN interference in Chile's domestic affairs. The ballot of the plebiscite in 1977/1978 (of which I still have a copy) showed a Chilean flag and a UN flag. Citizens were supposed to mark which one they wanted to run the country (i.e. Chile = Pinochet). It wasn't until 1983, when Orlando Letelier's widow came to Madison, Wisconsin and I heard her talk that I realized what the timing of the plebiscite was really all about. My Chilean sister, who was a journalist, told me years later that when Pinochet spoke at the UN, the news media cut in an clip of the UN delegates applauding for Fidel Castro. However, when it aired on TVN, they bookended the clip so it looked like the UN delegates were very supportive of Pinochet. The truth is that almost no one applauded when he walked to the podium.
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