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by **Laura55llc** on Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:02 pm

I agree the environment should be saved. I love Chile in part because it looks much like my native Montana. But if Pinera had been in power already, I believe you would have seen GW Bush style "Damn the environment, corporations do whatever you like". I think you are exactly right to strive for the protection of the environment. I also have concerns about the nuclear power plants. I saw wave energy mentioned for Santa Barbara County and Chile has 3,000 miles of ocean coastline. Wouldn't it be nice if Chile could be energy independent and environmentally conscious at the same time? Sun, wind, waves, geothermal....

by **admin** on Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:55 pm

I am not a fan of Pinera overall, but he did buy up a big part of southern Chiloe with Tompkins for a nature reserve including a large marine animal reserve dedicated to whales and such.

I believe it is because of Tompkins support for Pinera, that she was in such in a hurry after the election to approve the road through Pumalin. A little political payback, at the expense of the environment.

by **serendipity** on Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:27 pm

Laura55llc, looking at your posts (as you were kind enough to reply to one of mine) and came across this thread.

Fascinates me how similar all countries seem to be, the sole reason for being in political office is to have 'power', which usually translates to money. The recently ousted and now disgraced Thaksin, PM of Thailand, siphoned millions (if not a billion) of dollars into his family coffers while in office, the new international airport has been a tale of corruption, malfeasance and incompetence, so bad that the runway was breaking up even before it opened! In the UK we have the new PM, Brown, who has been running a slush fund under the guise of a charity, whilst his predecessor promised everything to the people and delivered only to himself and his mates. We all know about the venal US government, whoever is in power.

It seems that this is the way in every nation, can anyone suggest an idyllic country where those in power do what they are meant to ... rule for the good of the people. It appears that Chile is just like anywhere else in that respect, there is an apt expression used in Thailand ... Same Same but Different.

by **admin** on Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:28 am

I still would not equate the types of corruption in Asia or even the rest of Latin America with what is going on in Chile.

I might accuse some of the politicians in Chile of ethical violations, but there are very few real crimes being committed (i.e. get out the leg irons). Even the ethical violations are more of matter of political perspective. Once in a while, like everywhere, you find a politician with their hand in the cookie jar, but it is not the kind of stuff that will collapse economies or cause regional economic instability.

The real difference is they are found, and they are prosecuted before one bad apple has a chance to really spoil the bunch and the country.

by **Laura55llc** on Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:20 pm

The same but different. Yes.

by **Huasipungo** on Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:56 pm

Here fiscal policy has been too expansive, generating a higher than needed inflation, which hurts the poor more than anyone else, and really has not created may new jobs. It is not clear that much of the government's spending will increase production or even productivity.

Her office has been very weak in dealing with any of the protests and their demands, it seems to simply cave. I am not suggesting that she should have arrested the truck drivers (as others have done), but you cannot simply give in.

On education, I would give her a poor grade as well, but almost anyone would get one, as few have the will or leverage to undertake the complete overhaul of the system.

Transantiago may have been a mess, but it is a far more rational system then existed before. I love it, but then again, I can go into work early and leave before the Linea 1 gets really full.

by **Ignite** on Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:06 am

I sense sincerity in Pinera though, I will take him over some other socialist..my dad always tells me, "if you vote for Pinera you have the satisfaction of knowing that he won't steal anything since he's already filthy rich" and he's pretty transparent too. Now I believe Pinera

when he talks about what he's going to do and such, he seems pretty honest, thats' my opinion

by **admin** on Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:18 am

yea, glad someone resurrected this thread. I think it is about time for another review of the Presidents recent accomplishments.

The First thing to take note of is ........

O.k., well that about covers it. Moving along.

by **admin** on Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:41 am

Seriously, though. She is very much back on my S***T list. I'll set aside the economy, the schools, and the public hospitals, and so on. Those are problems that are obviously in everyone's face across Chile.

The biggest one that is not being covered by the media was the political snow job in the Palena region.

Their plan to recover the region, and the thousands of homeless created by the volcano is two phase.

1. They are going to make the parks in the towns pretty and pave the roads. First, the park in Futa is wonderful. DON'T MESS WITH IT!!!

Second, there is only about 5 KM of road in the three towns put together, and in Futa they are already 50% paved, and the other 50% was slated to be paved over the next 2 years. There is no talk about paving the main highways that are nothing but dirt roads.

2. Build new houses in La junta, Futa, and Palena for the displaced.

No one wants to live in La Junta (you can not buy a cup of coffee in La Junta) or Palena because there is no infrastructure. Palena does not even want to be the capital of Palena, because they can not handle it. So, the 4,000 people from Chaiten that might return to the area are moving to Futa. Futa had less than 2,000 people before the disaster, and only around 1,000 lived in the center of the town. It can not handle that sudden influx of people. The best that can be hoped for is that the people do not return, at least for many years.

They are going to turn what was one of the most beautiful places left on Earth in to a Santiago ghetto. There are no jobs for those people in Futa. The tourism industry is going to take years to recover, and the agricultural industry was marginal at best before the volcano.

The guys that will build those roads and infrastructure will be companies from Puerto Montt, Santaigo, and other parts of Chile. Very little of that money will ever reach the region. Most will never leave Las Condes.

The list goes on and on of how she screwed the region. 10 years from now when you asses the region's progress, she will have likely done more damage than the volcano.

All this, and she is sitting on a massive surplus from copper. Doing nothing with it for the country.

by **RWS** on Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:40 am

Nonetheless, I don't foresee the country turning to the opposition come the next elections -- regrettably.

by **Vicki and Greg Lansen** on Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:07 pm

el puelche wrote:uhhhh..c'mn she has lived more of her life outside of Chile than within its borders...she got her degree outside the country so reallyin CHile she has no degree...in CHile she is not a doctor or even titulada. She has two different children from two diffferent fathers...un-married...she was a member of the armed wing of the communist party when she was in Chile...ie bombthrowers...her father was executed by the military itself...and if you know anything about the Chilean army you know they protect thier own to the end...so it stands to wonder...what is it that he did to cause his demise?...she was supposedly arrested and tortured but we have yet to have the details of what happened to her....Chile was in a rough spot and she pitched out to live somewhere else...thats alot of faith....if you want to see what Chileans think about that then you should see the movie "johhny cien Pesos"and pay attention where the judge is asked by the interior ministry official to sign the detention order....in regard to the students and the "tomas" ...she might have agreed with the students with her mouth but remember that she went to the UN to speak during that time and on the way back stopped in Haiti...remember this is during the the revolucion de los pinguinos and she signs a check for 15 million pesos for supplies to the Haitan schools...alot of cash when your people need it at home and especialy during a crisis....

Bachilet is a communist and furthur an anarchist...she has no experience in government and doesn't know what she is doing...she is simply no better than a cuidador de autos.....she doesn't have anything to do with who or what made the cars, no idea of maitenence, flow of traffic, where its okay to park and where not too...she goes to the parties and does what they tell her to do and hopes that nothing bad will happen while she is in charge...it will catch up with her and hopefully before it gets too bad they will have someone that will keep her above the level of Sh*t that she has created for herself.

Anyone can survive one year...its the two year point that it shows and so we have a year to go before we might have to hand out the life perservers...so we have yellow and orange, what color looks best on you?

p out.

I can't candy coat it...its not in my nature.

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.....so, Sr. P! I was wondering if you might have an opinion on Bachelet that you might feel comfortable sharing with us?!!!

by **admin** on Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:21 am

I just discovered a serious error in the prior post. Please replace La Junta, with Santa Lucia. La Junta is fairly good size town. Santa Lucia is basically a cross roads with a few houses between Chaiten and Futa.

She has done 0 for the country. When she started I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt as a new president, but by now any sign of anything would be progress.

Last Sunday she was declaring like George Bush that there was nothing wrong with the economy. Really?

by **skyl4rk** on Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:25 pm

I don't have any knowledge or opinion on Bachelet but I would like to view the results of this poll. What should I vote so I can see the results? So-so?

There should always be a No Opinion option!

by **admin** on Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:00 pm

I think you are victim of the poll bug on the forum. A few users have trouble seeing the polls, while others don't.

I promise, promise, promise it is on the to be fixed list for the net update.

by **Vicki and Greg Lansen** on Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:06 pm

I also had to vote to view the poll. I voted so-so because "no opinion" was not available

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