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Re: Operations Manager for South American Tour Company

Postby nwdiver » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:05 pm

patagoniax wrote:
stgogiant wrote:
patagoniax wrote:
stgogiant wrote:
Over the years I've done my fair share of job searching in civilized nations and providing a detailed explanation of a compensation package in a job posting is not standard practice from my experiences. People on this board are grown ups. If someone is interested, they are free to apply as noted in the post. Your expertise with regards to Chile is no doubt extensive, but sometimes people on this forum are quick to make assumptions due to past postings that may very well have been looking to take advantage, or for other reasons.


So I take it you are unwilling to publicly offer any meaningful insight into your proposed compensation?

Is this because your industry may have a reputation for niggardly offerings in that area?

Do you honestly expect qualified applicants to consider your offer of a position if you are unwilling to openly discuss any aspects of the associated compensation?

Such a query is very relevant and appropriate, and an employer's evident wish to conceal this sort of information just naturally raises suspicions.


If someone is interested, they can apply and more details will happily be provided. That is not a terribly new or abnormal concept. Queries about compensation are certainly relevant for someone who is interested and applies, but not for you or any other random person who just happens to read the posting and wants to have a debate about whether the job is legit/good or not or the travel industry in general or whatever. You obviously have no interest in the job, so it makes no sense for you to be forcing the issue...other than to just keep our conversation going.


The discussion of compensation is relevant to readers of this forum because this forum deals with "working in Chile. " Your great reluctance to even generally describe your compensation approach should be viewed as a clear signal to most readers here that your offering should be treated with considerable skepticism and extreme caution.




Px I think this says it all:

“Competitive hourly rates based on experience and skills”

It is a few hours a week not a real job and the hourly rate for Chile no doubt.
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Re: Operations Manager for South American Tour Company

Postby rocksana » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:10 pm

Yes , could be. Most of my job search took place in the US, and my area is rather narrow, so probably my view is a bit narrow as well. But the point was, there are many BIG companies that do not release their salary but expect the applicant to suggest the right one (which I find stressful)
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Re: Operations Manager for South American Tour Company

Postby FrankPintor » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:15 pm

rachelmarama wrote:Maybe it's cultural expectations... in New Zealand and the UK for IT/New media jobs, salary expectations are usually posted as a part of the job. I f the company didn't include them, I would assume that they were paying very poorly. But then, different countries, different industries.

Of course it is... I spent several years working in a culture where it's normal to stipulate as part of the contract that the salary earned is to be kept confidential... and where certainly no salary expectations are mentioned in advertisements.

Really, the most information I've seen in the past 10 years or so in my field in contract adverts is some reference to "competitive rates", "market rates", or some such. Or maybe "excellent rates available to the right person". Nothing suspicious about those positions either, I've taken some of them...
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Re: Operations Manager for South American Tour Company

Postby Chigu » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:52 am

I know the N.American standard is only to post the description of the job and the requirements. When it comes to the compensation aspect, it usually only states that a 'competitive compensation package is provided'. So what the OP did is normal. Only interested candidates should be privy to compensation range, however I always ask this question first to make sure we are on the same page.
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Re: Operations Manager for South American Tour Company

Postby Dosedmonkey » Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:32 pm

In the UK its sometimes just an estimated salary though, depending on the job. You always need ask more questions if your serious, seems a bit harsh by PX
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