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As long as France can't figure out trivially easy-to-solve issues such as stray dogs, it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously and its claims of remaining a country with an AAA rating shouldn't either.

Oh... wait... Does "A Year in the Merde" ring any bells?

FrankPintor wrote:As long as France can't figure out trivially easy-to-solve issues such as stray dogs, it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously and its claims of remaining a country with an AAA rating shouldn't either.

Oh... wait... Does "A Year in the Merde" ring any bells?

J'ai plus ri!

Le Français ...c’est un animal de race latine ; l’ordure ne lui déplaît pas, dans son domicile, et, en littérature, il est scatophage. Il raffole des excréments.

- Baudelaire


The French are just Chileans with better cheese.

greg~judy wrote:

zer0nz wrote:<snip>

Even in las condes hte amounf ot dogs in properties who need a hair cut, they have matted hair, and cant see, yet there owners dont see this as a problem....

hmmm... you mean like this one...?
just another fine example of a friendly arican perro
of course, this one would never bite you either...!

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hehe, yes!, just looked at our(our being the gfs) poodle.... he is looking rather simular!, haircut time!

wiscondinavian wrote:Solution: make everyone register and require everyone to spay/neuter their dogs.

Provide free neutering/mass neutering but do "ear-clipping" on the dogs so that 1) you know which stray dogs have already been spayed/neutered and 2) give dog owners incentive to PAY for their neutering because the "vanity" of having unclipped ears

If the dog isn't registered/no proof of neutering = $$FINE$$ for the owner
If the dog is out on the street without identification = its okay for it to be neutered in a mass-neutering campaign

People tend to respond well to social pressure (OMG your dog has clipped ears, you must be too poor to afford to neuter it) and fines... but then again, Chileans don't seem to like the idea of cutting off their dogs' balls...

The question is how much this would actually cost to run... Seems like within 5 years you could get a significant amount of dogs neutered and with 10 you would see a drastic change in the amount of stray dogs... I'm no vet, but I also imagine it's a lot cheaper/easier to do neutering than spaying...

Less people getting bit and less poop on the streets... >:(

One of the primary reasons I moved to Santiago from Buenos Aires is to help with the pet population problem, since it's so much worse in the city here (yes, the Villas in BA have an equal problem, but in the actual city itself, it's a small issue in comparison).

My primary work is in helping to pass legislation. I get the idea that using "stigma" might be effective here. But I tend to look at using an incentive based system.

The long-term goal of what I'm working on is basic:
* Create a mandatory pet registration system, like many cities around the world have:
- each dog owner must register their dog, pay 10k pesos per year and get an ANNUAL pet tag
- to get the tag, the owner must prove vaccinations are up to date and that the animal has been sterilized
- If an owner opts to pass on sterilization, the annual fee is much greater, 100x the annual registration fee for a sterilized dog

* As for the incentive for the dog owners:
- sterilize and you pay only 10k pesos vs 100x that cost
- you are legal: there is no risk that if government regulation groups (created with the revenue from the tag program) or police will fine you for not having a registered dog
- penalty fees for not having your dog registered will always be much, much more in cost than the fee of getting your dog registered

* Incentive for Santiago to create and enforce the system:
- help remedy the stigmatic street dog problem that plagues the city
- funding created by the program will generate money to help create and support a number of refugios that would be created
- a portion of the generated funds would likely be used by the government for other non-animal related services
- revenue can help fund an animal control department to help relocate street dogs to refugios and improve the quality of life for Santiago residents and tourism
- as a business, the cost of implementing the program will be much less than the revenue generated
- easily training police to simply keep their eyes open on a slow day for a dog without: it will not be their primary job by any means but simply by being AUTHORIZED to fine dog owners without a registered dog, the DETERRENCE factor will help drive more people to register their dog.
- if the annual registrations were just 5% of the dog owning population, with 95% opting to "risk it", you are still talking about a sizable amount of revenue to operate a number of refugios and an animal control department to cover all the more public areas of the city. This would cost the city $0 per year as it would be sustainable based on the registration process. Of course, once a strong and public effort is made to improve the situation, it will increase the chances that people would even donate money to the cause once it has proven to be effective.

If anyone is interested in helping, you can PM me, thanks!

Quinn wrote:

One of the primary reasons I moved to Santiago from Buenos Aires is to help with the pet population problem, since it's so much worse in the city here

Let us know what sort of a response you get in Chile. We'll leave the light on.

I thought you came here for the food?

patagoniax wrote:

chernandez wrote:Is this like the Chinese calendar? Is next year the year of the cat scratch or monkey pee?

You may be on to something. We could name years for other features. We could have "Year That Nothing Was Done About National Park Fire Protection," "Year of the Continuing Failure to Effectively Address Chilean Alcoholism," "Year That PSU Scores Fell," "Year of the Urban Anarchist," "Mapuche Arson Terrorism Year," "Year of the Clueless Chilean Bicyclists Riding 3-Abreast In The Middle of Ruta 9," "Year of the Allchile.net Spelling Bee," and so on. Think of the possibilities. I have 517 candidate topics so far today, and I'm not yet finished with breakfast.

All those are unfortunately applicable to every year.

Quinn wrote:- each dog owner must register their dog, pay 10k pesos per year and get an ANNUAL pet tag

10k seems too high for most sectors... Unless you're offering to chip the dogs... The point of this system should be to give incentive to have them registered, not to make a profit

Quinn wrote:- sterilize and you pay only 10k pesos vs 100x that cost

o_O I'm pretty sure I've seen neutering for around 50lucas here in Maipu... I don't think it costs 1.000.000pesos anywhere in the city... US$2000... no, that doesn't sound right

Quinn wrote:- you are legal: there is no risk that if government regulation groups (created with the revenue from the tag program) or police will fine you for not having a registered dog
...
- penalty fees for not having your dog registered will always be much, much more in cost than the fee of getting your dog registered

Again, this seems more like a plan to make money than it is to keep dogs off of the street...

Quinn wrote:- a portion of the generated funds would likely be used by the government for other non-animal related services

Yup, definitely a plan to make money

Quinn wrote:- easily training police to simply keep their eyes open on a slow day for a dog without: it will not be their primary job by any means but simply by being AUTHORIZED to fine dog owners without a registered dog

I would hope not...

wiscondinavian wrote:

Quinn wrote:- each dog owner must register their dog, pay 10k pesos per year and get an ANNUAL pet tag

10k seems too high for most sectors... Unless you're offering to chip the dogs... The point of this system should be to give incentive to have them registered, not to make a profit

Quinn wrote:- sterilize and you pay only 10k pesos vs 100x that cost

o_O I'm pretty sure I've seen neutering for around 50lucas here in Maipu... I don't think it costs 1.000.000pesos anywhere in the city... US$2000... no, that doesn't sound right

Quinn wrote:- you are legal: there is no risk that if government regulation groups (created with the revenue from the tag program) or police will fine you for not having a registered dog
...
- penalty fees for not having your dog registered will always be much, much more in cost than the fee of getting your dog registered

Again, this seems more like a plan to make money than it is to keep dogs off of the street...

Quinn wrote:- a portion of the generated funds would likely be used by the government for other non-animal related services

Yup, definitely a plan to make money

Quinn wrote:- easily training police to simply keep their eyes open on a slow day for a dog without: it will not be their primary job by any means but simply by being AUTHORIZED to fine dog owners without a registered dog

I would hope not...

its $40,000 to fix a dog in chile.... a compationate vet will do it for $20,000 if your in a hard up position!

Las condes runs once a year free vacinations and microchips.... but thats a rich comuna!

greg~judy wrote:much less dog shit...

I thought I saw progress this morning. While out walking in La Reina I passed a guy with a really nice shepherd. He had a plastic bag attached to his leash which I thought would be for cleaning up after his dog......NOT!
Later, I passed him again and he a loaf of bread (or a really big dump) in the bag attached to the dog's collar. I should have known better.

wiscondinavian wrote:

Quinn wrote:- each dog owner must register their dog, pay 10k pesos per year and get an ANNUAL pet tag

10k seems too high for most sectors... Unless you're offering to chip the dogs... The point of this system should be to give incentive to have them registered, not to make a profit

Quinn wrote:- sterilize and you pay only 10k pesos vs 100x that cost

o_O I'm pretty sure I've seen neutering for around 50lucas here in Maipu... I don't think it costs 1.000.000pesos anywhere in the city... US$2000... no, that doesn't sound right

Quinn wrote:- you are legal: there is no risk that if government regulation groups (created with the revenue from the tag program) or police will fine you for not having a registered dog
...
- penalty fees for not having your dog registered will always be much, much more in cost than the fee of getting your dog registered

Again, this seems more like a plan to make money than it is to keep dogs off of the street...

Quinn wrote:- a portion of the generated funds would likely be used by the government for other non-animal related services

Yup, definitely a plan to make money

Quinn wrote:- easily training police to simply keep their eyes open on a slow day for a dog without: it will not be their primary job by any means but simply by being AUTHORIZED to fine dog owners without a registered dog

I would hope not...

I hope that you recognise that you are all just dreaming.

patagoniax wrote:

wiscondinavian wrote:

Quinn wrote:- each dog owner must register their dog, pay 10k pesos per year and get an ANNUAL pet tag

10k seems too high for most sectors... Unless you're offering to chip the dogs... The point of this system should be to give incentive to have them registered, not to make a profit

Quinn wrote:- sterilize and you pay only 10k pesos vs 100x that cost

o_O I'm pretty sure I've seen neutering for around 50lucas here in Maipu... I don't think it costs 1.000.000pesos anywhere in the city... US$2000... no, that doesn't sound right

Quinn wrote:- you are legal: there is no risk that if government regulation groups (created with the revenue from the tag program) or police will fine you for not having a registered dog
...
- penalty fees for not having your dog registered will always be much, much more in cost than the fee of getting your dog registered

Again, this seems more like a plan to make money than it is to keep dogs off of the street...

Quinn wrote:- a portion of the generated funds would likely be used by the government for other non-animal related services

Yup, definitely a plan to make money

Quinn wrote:- easily training police to simply keep their eyes open on a slow day for a dog without: it will not be their primary job by any means but simply by being AUTHORIZED to fine dog owners without a registered dog

I would hope not...

I hope that you recognise that you are all just dreaming.

yeah, for some reason all the comunas are getting new trees at the moment, that is what the government thinks is more important, they are planing them everywhere!