Chile Forum

Senor White, Senor BLack and Senora Violet are up next....its just...a task somewhat to pull out what I cannot say and what I can...I found a new charactor though...a Senor Clear...he was a grave robber with a library full of "artifacts"....so soon you will get to meet Senor White...

chao, p.




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Senor White....I do not know how he arrived in Chile or when...he just was there I remember asking around to that regard and no one ever really had anything to say. Senor WHite was very wealthy. He drove around in a four door and had two guys with him always although not always in the same car.....sometimes just following him around. It would be very difficult to gauge SEnor White's age....he wasn't fat but he wasn't tall either...His hair was thinning but he wasn't bald, there was no doubt when he meant business and yet he was always joking around. Senor White knew everyone in town and was married with a couple of children that no one ever saw(older and gone???) Senor White had alot of girlfriends.

Senor White had several business' and usually could be found at one in particular...it was the dumpiest of the many places he owned. He had a small office with no windows. HE lived outside of town on a big compound he had built. It was a big concrete structure built into the side of a hill...like a bunker....it had 3 sets of barbed wire around it and a kennel with no less than 20 dogs. He named all the out buildings with old nazi army names and had slogans written on placques on the walls.

Senor White was very secretive and yet at the same time didn't mind that people knew who he was. HE never talked about the war or his part in it or really very many things in regards to politics. I only saw him get "anxious" when Senor Black was coming to town.

Senor Black I only met twice in person but he came maybe 8 or 9 times to the town we lived in. Senor Black was taller and had a thin build. He was wiry like a gymnist and was always extremely tan. He wore hagar type beltless pants with a button-up short sleeve shirt and always wore those sunglasses the us chopper pilots wore. He had a shock of grey-black hair with big bushy eyebrows, hairy arms and long slender fingers. On the top of his right forearm he had a good sized tattoo of a sprawled out spider. He was relaxed but always reserved and did not say much. I don't know where he came from but he was always relaxed and in control. My feeling was that he did not live in CHile and only came to make a check-up visit. He was old then so I cannot imagine that he is alive today.

Senor WHite grew acustumned to calling me and having me make business visits. I had business with him at a certain point but because he could not provide me with everything that I needed we stopped doing business. When I first got to know him I noticed that he was a little fidgety and always had his hand in his pocket or hidden. He almost always wore a jacket or had one near. After he was comfortable around me he revealed that he kept his hand hidden from his habit of always carrying a hand grenade with him. Although he didn't say it outright, he was convinced that the mossad would come for him one day and so he had gotten a hold of US style "pineapple " grenade and always had it in his hand ready to go. I never saw him with out it and always in his hand ready to go.

THe grenade starts you to thinking honestly about the whole set-up and so I tried as much as I could to avoid him. I remember one time we were in his office and a employee had come in with a give-a-awy basket of goods he always gave away to clients...the employee set this large basket on the desk and in doing so bumped into Senor Whites hand where-upoon the grenade was knocked from his hand and onto the floor....I was not going to pick it up and in fact was moving for the door when he asked very calmly..."where are you going?" and so I turned and saw that he had a walther p-38 pulled from a holster in his back...he wasn't pointing it but he was intent on knowing if it was an accident or what....the employee just stood there and he reached down for his grenade and the pistol went away.....a smile and back to normal. I did not get a gift basket.


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PS. Senor WHite had a very unique way of ...collecting ...information on business adversaries...next post.....

Excellent stories. What were the years these took place?

Dear "nohotnocold",

I appreciate your curiosity. In fact I have many questions for Uncle P myself. Unfortunately we must refrain from asking questions pertaining to when and where and how. Please read Uncle P's disclaimer at the beginning of this thread. I for one don't want him to stop. Thanks.

Shane

I understand completely, but he said "Hmmm....where to start.....first let me say that my experiences with the nazis spanned over several years...therefore, except for very generic dates, I will not reference any dates with any stories."
If asking for the decade is too much, then my apologies.
As with many, i'm loving the stories.

no worries mate....

I'm a dead man anyway so I'm posting some stories....but I won't hasten the end by letting out to much too soon...so in time all things work out....ask all the questions you want, it doesn't mean I'll answer them and don't get tender when I don't.
It is what it is....didn't popeye say that?


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Separacion total de bienes.....when you get married in Chile they will ask you how you want your worldly goods or possesions divided up and...so, STDB basicly the complete division between man and wife in regard to posssessions.....Usually any male with weath will enter a marriage with this stipulation.....there are several reasons for it but usually the first reason is that through the courts, whatever trouble the man gets into, the court can only take what is in his name....so, families will start this way and for example the main family home will be in the name of the wife so that no matter bad business goes on there can be no taking of the house. As well, this lends tot he security of the wife and children as she knows that no one and nothing can take the home out from under her.

Now if you worked at the hardware store in town, or the supermarket it wouldn't matter...I'm talking about the movers and shakers in any town, city or community(there are some other marriage laws that go in with this but thats not the point right now of why it is done). Business can go south fast and the male of the marrage can find himself in alot of trouble fast and therefore any assets he has are directly affected. Debters Prison in CHile is alive and well and a very serious issue.

So....there is the tendency for many latin males to stray from thier vows and so create other offspring in thier endeavor to enjoy life. It isn't unusual that at a certain age successful male latins are able to seperate themselves to some degree from thier original family and live a life of "variety" so to speak. THis can be typical of professionals that have an income that will support such a lifestyle. In effect what happens is that the wife becomes aware and, as she "owns th house in her name only", makes life un-bearable for hubbby at home and so he makes other arrangements. Sometimes the husband will help out at home with cash but usually he will not as he will just as much need that cash for the new honey or honeys.

Chilean law is such that a wife must recieve her husband and make a home for him where ever she is. So, for example, the husband can leave the house but the wife must accept him back when ever he chooses...even to the point that if the wife leaves the home and goes to her mothers' house for example and the husband shows up at the house, she by law must allow a place for him in the house.....there are several corallaries to this but effectively the point is that although CHilean society is matriarchal, the wife is screwed and left with little defense against a husband that neglects her.

This creates a special circumstance for the wife in that she becomes abandoned in her own home....usually the wife has no income and then at 40 years old when the husband leaves she has really less than any real chance of providing for herself and her children. She can, when from a better off family, expect a certain amount of help from parents but it can happen that her mother is in the same situation....a wicked circle.

Now it happens that when what I have described is the case, there is also a societal and cultural paradox at hand....a well off family one day is the next day on the edge of loosing everything and really thrown into the ranks of the poor....the cliche'd elite cannot let this happen and so a inter-group support system comes to play....after all La Senora Maria Paz Correa de Ugarte of yesterday and today the same woman as "Maria Paz" cannot be allowed to slip beneathe the the waves of poverty and filth...no matter where her husband sleeps.

Maria Paz is brought up to the rector of the private school and he is made aware that the three children will be late in tuitions this semester...and by the way can't they pay alittle less??? What if she helps in the office? and so it goes for Maria Paz all over town....favor after favor is called in and she is saved from the humiliation of not having enough cash to make it all be okay at the end of the month. THis is all done with no mention of a break-up or that the husband is off somewhere with someone else. Utmost dignity is upheld until....

Maria Paz after awhile runs out of favors, its been going on for awhile. THe better families will even invite her to the same boat parties or the couples weekend at the refugio, all knowing that she would be alone...no one actually says it but everyone knows..."Maria- Paz you and Juan Carlos are invited and if Juan Carlos can't come the first day then just ride with us...." they know that jc will not come but they feel obliged to bring Maria paz along so tht t=she escapes the dreariness of her present circumstance if just for a week end.

Maria paz has a lot favors perhaps still but no cash for the regular things...and it happens...one male from the social group she belongs stops over at the house to see if he can help...its the middle of the day and the kids are in school. THe maid only comes thress times a week now and he shows up on the off day...he has been thoughtful and brought some gifts for the children...she is so stressed out and tired....he offers a massage and well...if its a good deal for her...he is of a stature in the town professionaly and financialy she will allow him to massage away the pain of the day...and so it goes....a few visits here and there and although there isn't really money on the dresser when he leaves...the tuition at the school is somehow paid, the bill at the supermarket is paid and Maria-paz goes to the seamstress for a new outfit and well...amazingly there is no bill to pay.

Maria Paz is off course still married as there is no divorce in CHile...does she become pregnant?...what does it matter? she's married and certainly the child is her husbands...but then the shine of a new mistress wears off and so Senor # 1 isn't around as much and then not at all and a Senor #2 comes in to help her out....not as shiny and new as Senor #1 but still a provider...and then Senor #3 and then SEnor # 4 etc....there isn't enough money for an anullment and the husband wouldn't allow it anyway and so she slips away to places she would never imagine having to go. THis usually takes years and finaly the children are out of school and not really her problem now. If Maria Paz is smart and quick, she has saved a certain amount from what has fallen off the table of the Senores so that when her allure in the bedroom is no longer enough, she has something from which to live.

Most towns will have several different groups and clicks....there can be several Maria Paz in every group...there is always at least one Maria Paz in every town. Senor White made it his job to be the Senor # 3 for all the Marias in the town.

In his thinking...she was sliding out and desperate or at least more desperate and willing...willing to provide the info on all her lovers....as the Senores didn't see her as a wife to be feared for her knowledge....she would see all the secrets of the village, and all the deals going on...she was like a picture on the wall and heard it all...after all what could she do to harm anyone?...nothing...and so SEnor White would cull the information from the soiled daisies and reap the benefits....she heard about the meetings, the phone calls, the secret meetings and the really secret meetings...and by the time Senor White was in her bed she had to deliver the info so as to justify her expense to him....willing and able and even willing to go on the offensive and find out info that he needed.

Senor White always had at least 6 or 7 of the Marias....he knew everything so he got there ahead of everyone else and bet on the cards they had, they thought they had or hoped to have...he knew so much he even knew what the dealer had before the card even came up...they never had a chance.....I guess when you're used to manouevering around the likes of goering, himmler and speer this wasn't too out of range.

That is the brutal truth of it all and harsh it is....

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Senor Blue was tough...he was very tough, that old world tough that keeps working straight for three days with no sleep and nothing to eat. He was also big...especialy his hands, huge hands and krinkled up face where his eyes could barely be seen.

Senor BLue was an officer in the german military...a captain I think when he was captured at d-day on the first day. He was telling me that when he got up that morning he had a hot cup of eratz coffee like he always did and looked out over the rim of his cup at the first sip and saw all the ships. As much as they expected it he said they still couldn't believe it. He called it in for 45 minutes but they just kept telling him to go back to bed and sleep it off. He was captured by the british and became a pow. HE had a good record and was able to emigrate to Canada and then to CHile.

In Chile he filled a need in civilian life that was badly needed. His business did very well and because of it he profited greatly on the mistakes of others...i can't say more what it was but it was very sly on his part and he did well at it.

Senor Blue liked the brew and could drink alot....alot....he would be well into his cups and refuse to speak castellano and just go to German....and a little english where he would become very upset at the USA because they were treating thier soldiers so poorly now after Vietnam....he would really go into it and get upset and then after that he would go to the barracks songs in German and swinging the glass around and pounding the table and then hugs for everyone and more songs and shouting out nazi slogans as loud as he could in german.

Senor Green was morose and depressed and although I don't know how he got to CHile


uhhh,....gotta go more later

Senor Green.

We're back now, we were listing to port all of a sudden and I had to shift the ballast and in general fight the storm...

Senor Green was generaly depressed and had a somewhat morose personality...he really didn't talk that much and was always grumpy and "out of alignment. I don't know how he got to Chile. HE was Luftwaffe or air force during the war but I never found out what he did. A few years after I met him he walked out into the field behind his house and shot himself in the head with his luger pistol. THey said that something he had seen during the war had finaly pushed him over and he couldn't cope any longer. He was very different.

p out

Senor Silver....was old....very old...He was big and wide but not fat by any means....he had long hair and stumpy thick legs. He walked everywhere, and I mean everywhere. He always wore slacks with a buttton up shirt and a cardigan button up. He was kind of hucnched over all the time and his Spanish was not all that good.

He came to CHile very early on and I believe he was not military but in some political office or division of the Nazis. THe Catholic Church got him in and he was extremely cheap. When he got to CHile he had absolutely nothing...and they told me that he lived outside of town in the dirt at first he was poor....I can't say what he did at first but he did it for a long time and he was extremely frugal....he just knew where to be and took advantage and the day came when he had alot of money because he invested wisely....when I say alot of money ....I mean alot.....

I knew him and he I found him to be a regular joe...or jose if you will....he was reported to be one of the top 5 richest men in CHile at the time....you would never imagine it to see him. He was always working and never stopped....he was like the turtle...slow and determined and yet never stopping.


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Senora Violet is still alive(I checked) so I'm not going to say anything about that....Senor Clear is alive as well but his story is so good that I am really going to think about whether I can tell his story or not...its just to good...but he's still alive so...I'll have to think about it.

I was thinking about it and I remembered that during this time these two east germans showed up(STASI types with greasy pale skin and rumpled suits) talk with Senor White. He was a third not giving a damn, a third really pissed off and a third nervous. He never told me what was up and really knowing Pinochet and the whole deal I was really surprised that they let them in. I had a feeling that they had been in CHile before(I wonder when...) and so I think they snuck in...but how???...Thats where Senora Violet comes in and a guy that worked for her....He showed me a place that not many people know about where you can get through from Argentina through a pass in the Andes. Its the only spot like it and suprisingly easy to do but we'll have to wait for Snra. V to die before I tell that one.


So I think that is the end of the Nazis in Chile for now...or least as much as I'm going to tell....for now...

Chao y saludos,

puelche.


c'mon lets here some comments now....its to dry up here not to have a little push and pull from everyone.


PS: I almost forgot...I met a guy here in the states that was in the ss serving in Russia. He was a doctor and pulled out the album with all the photos of what he did in Russia....he got out of course and I promised not to tell....he is very old....maybe 86 to 90...but just goes to show that for at least a few years more...they could be anywhere....

Aren't you afraid that the polar men from the antarctic submarine base will come and take you away?

I have lived in Germany and it is no big deal to meet "nazis" because most Germans who lived during that period were sucked into the system in one way or another. I feel sorry for most of them, their youth was taken from them and many had horrible experiences. Anyone who is still alive today is from the generation that was run through the full mill of Hixler Youth and the military, they were totally propogandized from childhood on and most were then sacrificed to the state.

I wonder about those who emigrated to a country so far away from Europe, if they had something to hide or if they just wanted to get away from the horrors of war. For many, they probably had to escape from Germany because there were too many Germans that wanted revenge against them for whatever reason. The nazi leadership was not well liked by the survivors of the nazi disaster and there were many deadly paybacks after the war. But there were also likely many emigrants to Chile who were innocent of war crimes but were traumatized by war experiences and just wanted out of Europe.

I was thinking today about that...what it must be like now in germany and really the last 20 years...a mix of nazi a-holes and others that just got mixed up in the bunch....thats why in the begining of my post I said "...a somewhat sympathetic account..."

Really from what I saw...the people I knew that were Nazis, facists or just refugees where all charactors in thier own right and thier political affilliation had the least to do with it but definitely gave flavor to the pie...

p out.


....PS...polar men? , what polar men?...haven't seen'em yet but when they come I'll be ready...

Germany is a traumatized society that is recovering from war but is having withdrawal pains. It was a militaristic society for so long, people are now militaristic pacifists and militaristic environmentalists. Most wacko political theories originate in Germany. Expect another destructive political theory to spawn itself in Germany and plague the world soon.

As for the polar men, you will not know about them until they come to your door to take you back to their antarctic submarine base.

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Hello El Puelche

Great reading as usual. Twisted! I'm glad that you DIDN'T wait til the end of May, as you had suggested earlier.

Thanks!