PUELCHE'S GUIDE TO LAND PURCHASE IN CHILE<A TO Z>

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Postby admin » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:55 am

cool thread el puelche. Good that people can see that we are not crazy. This stuff really does happen. It is also why we expect to be helping people buy real estate in Chile for many years to come. We actually prefer clients that have tried to buy property on their own. They appreciate what we do, and how little we charge for it.

I do not want to hi-jack El Puelche's thread, but I just want to toss in a few comments as he goes along. Our own how to buy real estate in Chile articles and FAQ can be found here:
http://www.allsouthernchile.com/content ... ion/21/65/
and FAQ:
http://www.allsouthernchile.com/content ... on/34/121/

In regards to property lines, we strongly strongly urge all of our clients to hire a surveyor. They are relatively cheap in Chile at about $300-600 US depending on the access and difficulty of doing the survey. Many of our clients have discovered that the properties are bigger than the seller believed them to be. Often properties expand and contract in peoples minds over the years. More importantly it will stop property line disputes later. We have a client that did not resurvey before purchase (they bought it on their own), and they are now up to several thousand dollars in expenses to solve the dispute even though all parties are still friendly and working together to figure out a good solution.

Also, be aware that GPS is nice to have, but make sure you know how to use it and buy a good one. Keep in mind that the military keeps a drift on GPS, and that the cheaper ones are not as specific. Also, be aware that your gps coordinates may not correspond to the properties official plot for a whole host of reasons that I will not get in to right now.

In regards to what people tell you, get it in to the contract. For example, if you want the old growth trees, have it written in to the contract that they are there. That way if the care taker cuts them down before the purchase, you can hold the owner responsible for them.

Most importantly take your time. Our new favorite quote is from the bus driver between Chaiten and Futa we recently overheard. A guy on the bus was in a hurry and trying to rush the driver. The driver turned to him and said, "senor, if you are in a hurry in the Patagonia you are waisting your time".

I would add you are also waisting your money. Being in a hurry will cost you more money and time in the long run. It takes as long as it takes.

Most importantly, get a lawyer. You don't have to hire us, but hire someone.
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The admins real estate tip of the day:

Dealing with bureaucrats in Chile is like treating a wound on your arm or leg, slow steady pressure is the best policy; but, don't put to much pressure on it or you will cut off your circulation.
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Postby murf » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:15 am

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Thanks for the info el puelche. I hope you can continue this thread. :D
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Postby admin » Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:02 am

This part below has got me just rolling on the floor. Remember we do this for a living. I just wish I could tell some of the stories of the deals we have handled, but I can not because of confidentiality agreements. Perhaps, I can ask some of our clients for a waver, and change the names and such.

See, it is one thing when you are looking for your own property. You may or may not have a bunch of problems buying, but once it is done it is done. For us, everyone's problems in real estate transactions in Chile are our problems, so we are constantly dealing with them. If all goes well, most of our clients will never be aware of the problems we encountered to make it happen.

This includes both the buyers and the sellers. Even though we only represent buyers, we still need to help out many times the sellers. Often the sellers are just as ignorant of how to transfer property as the buyer, especially when you get a gringo involved. We often fine the poor farmer trying to sell to a gringo that speaks little to no Spanish, scratching his head trying to figure out what makes the gringo tick. What does he want? what is he willing to pay? What is all the hub bub about international wire transfers, powers of attorney, or even just having a lawyer involved.

Why can't we just shake hands and be done with it? That is likely how the farmer bought his property, and why we have to go through clearing his title. If we simply tell him he needs to hire a lawyer, a surveyor, or do something else to clear his property for sale, the sale will nevvvvvvvvvvvvvver happen.

Like I said we represent the buyers, but to do that we often find ourselves representing the seller simply to clean up whatever title, logistical mess, family mess, community mess, or any other mess they might have so that our clients can buy the property free and clean with the least amount of problems. Which also means we need to be on good terms with the seller and have their trust, and the real estate agent, and their cousin, and the town drunk, and everyone else that might have anything to do with the sale.

We tell our clients, if you are out to burn some local farmer or do anything funny with the community, you really really need to find someone else to represent you. It is our reputation with the local farmers, the local mayors office, the little old lady selling bread on the corner that help us get things done both before and after our clients buy.

ADMIN REAL ESTATE TIP OF THE DAY:
Remember, you are more applying to be a member of the community, than you are buying property. If they like you, then all the deals will come out of the wood work and prices will come down.

Chile is not Walmart. Don't simply say "I'll take it" and whip out the checkbook. This will cost you money both before and after you buy. Instead get to know the owner, their family, their cat, their horse, and their horse's cousin. Stop and have a cup of mate, a bottle of wine, or dinner with the seller. Invite them to dinner where they will feel comfortable.

Later when you do have problems, you will find it much easier to solve. Now, obviously these rules apply more as you get away from the big cities, but they even work in Santiago to a great degree. It is harder to say no to friend, or give a friend a bad deal.

Most first time purchasers in Chile take between 1.5 and 3 years to buy when done right. That is to say it will take you that long to fall into and out of a few land deals until you understand what it is that makes a good sane deal. There are exceptions to this and it usually means a great amount of risk. Note, I am not talking about a simple house on a simple lot in a simple spot...that is much less comprehensive and therefore much less work. Do not be unaware that you can have the same problems on a small purchase as a large one so better to hear the worst than to go forward un-knowingly and find yourself up to your neck.

Remember to say the least possible to everyone you are involved with. Everything gets around and if you fall out of a deal, all the details will follow you around...accent on the ugly...so be...conservative in everything...anything "positive" you say like "..what a nice barn..." will communicated to the seller via real estate agent, caretaker, ranch hand, nieghbor...local children etc as...".....I will pay whatever it takes for this property because I love the barn...in fact I am going to convert the barn to a house and give birth to my children there..."...make up whatever you want here as that is what it will come out too....and so this will cause issues and furthur escalate anyhting going on with the purchase. Remember at all times that there are other properties and it is not the last one to be sold.

I remember going to look at a property on the edge of a large river...it was about 25 hectars with a house and barn plus pumphouse etc...The connection told me about it and said it was 4 mill a hectar...on the way out in his car I asked him to call to make sure of a few things and he confirmed at that moment via phone with the owner that the price was 4.2 mill....we arrived I reconfirmed the price at 4.2 and wrote it down....we walked the property and I complimented the woman on her work with everything and she comments that yes the price was 4.4...I didn't say anything...at he end the price was 4.5 and nothing less....so i casually brought up the idea that it had started the day before at 4 mill and then 4.2 and then 4.4 and now 4.5 a hectar...so what do you do?...you turn and walk away and never go back....if you make a scene, it doesn't matter, you won't win and they are not going to reduce the price unless its through extensieve third party negotiations.....

Generaly properties are put out to sale with several parties...real estate agents for town, taxi drivers are a good source as they are very social and a good way to get it out and generaly a local in the area that is to some extent a mover shaker,,,generaly ther is most likely a mover shaker type for every 15 or so square kms in the country and maybe one for every 5 to 10 blocks in town that is in the know.

Traditionaly the seller will pay up to 2% of the total selling price. this amount is paid at the time of the signing of the purchase agreement. If you use or hire a real estate agent or a "fixer" he will charge 2% of the purchase price as well. It is paid at the signing of the purchase agreement. There can be exclusions to this but that is special and we will get into later. Make sure that you discuss the percentage or at least have whatever the agreement is handled before you get to close to the final deal.
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