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Re: Double wammy of a problem

Postby nwdiver » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:09 pm

Josiah ben Paul wrote:
Gloria wrote:
Josiah ben Paul wrote:I went to college for 2 years, though I didn't finish in the last few months. Over the years I have worked on and off as a cook. I have also worked a bit administering linux computer systems (really I haven't touched a Microsoft Windows based computer in over 12 years). I can do a little programming. I also spent 2 years building houses and (doing everything from excavation to finishing details). Another two years I was a professional window cleaner. Another two years I worked on an organic vegetable farm, selling things at farmers markets.

So, I'm not sure. I have various qualifications. Concerning teaching English, I was excited about this prospect and I do still hope this is an option.

Really bothers me to read stories like this one. Jack of all trades and master of none is more like it. As you can see there is a pattern in your life.... unfinished business.... and to top it all you'll soon be a father.
In this situation you'll be (in a sense) "better off" traveling by yourself to the US although your chances of finding a job there are very low. KMart and Sears are closing over 100 stores and unemployment still climbing. Your dilemma is not so much the different circumstances in your life but above everything, the fact that you don't complete a task to the end and you need to recognize it and do something about it. Stick with something that you really love and perfect it.
If you know how to cook and are able to make "cazuela" and "empanadas" it may be a job for you around the corner. The tables has been changed nowadays, it's not easy to be an unemployed immigrantI ought to know!Good luck to you!


You should avoid presumptions Gloria. The job market in the United States has always been hit or miss, especially for someone who is still young. Therefore my fallback work was always cooking. It's not that I didn't finish this work, it's only that I didn't want to be a cook for my entire life, but didn't mind doing this type of work when necessary.

I have been administering computer systems since I was a child. This isn't a career I chose but then failed to finish. I saw the job market for administrators and programmers being outsourced to other countries like India. So for someone considering 6+ years of University and then numerous years in internship all so I can compete with some Indian man for a 20k to 30k per year job was not something that interested me. Computers are my hobby, and I didn't want to see it turn into a chore because American ISV's didn't want to pay for educated American programmers/admins. So, this was not an arbitrary decision because of what you would call a pattern of failing to fulfill what I start.

I spent 2 years building houses when my sisters boyfriend asked for my help. Sounded like a good time, but when he left town and the new house economy crashed and builders with decades of experience were flipping burgers at McDonalds I made the decision not to continue in something where there was virtually no market for such skills.

Farming vegetables has always been a hobby/passion, so I wasn't pursuing a new "career" when I moved onto my friends farm. This was a difficult time of my life (for personal reasons) and I needed to get out of dodge for some time. When the farm couldn't support itself any longer, and we all had to move, I moved out with my friends. Again, this wasn't another failure for me to continue with things.

Let's see, Window Cleaning. I loved this job. I would have gladly continued. However my boss' business got shut down for money laundering and tax evasion. So unfortunately I wasn't able to continue doing this work.

So please, don't paint people in a negative light based on false presumptions about their life history. This isn't fair to them and it isn't fair to me.

Stephen





The “I don’t want to be an IT professional because my job would be outsourced” is why the USA has problems, there are 10s of thousands of jobs for IT pros in the US and all over the world, I think 6+ years of study would get you more than the call centre job you strive for. Get educated in something you can do and quit whining. I agree with Gloria, I'm outta here.
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Re: Chile to USA immigration problem

Postby Jb5 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:12 pm

Do you have a place to live in the States? Is it somewhere where the economy is getting better? Unemployment is so high in most places in the States right now that chances are getting a job that can pay rent and feed a family could be very tough. If your family can help you financially, going back may be a good idea. If they can't, Chile is certainly the cheaper place to live and you might try some new job search techniques. Have you looked for a job here, with an expat owned business that needs English skills? There must be expats building there. Have you combed the restaurants with your wife as a translator? American food is in and a cook who can add some to a menu might be of interest in the hip neighborhoods.
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Re: Chile to USA immigration problem

Postby Afterburner » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:35 pm

Hope things are working out for you Stephen.

I don't think you mentioned what part of Chile you are located in.
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Re: Chile to USA immigration problem

Postby martagill » Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:01 am

Stephen, I think there were several job postings regarding IT on this forum. Check them out. Maybe something will work out for you. Good luck. Also, if you're going to come to the States, you probably should come first and get situated before bringing your family. If you can't find work here, you can always go back and that way you haven't spent alot of money on getting GC's and stuff you may (or may not) need.
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Re: Chile to USA immigration problem

Postby akoch » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:39 am

I have US nationality and am married to a Chilean and have four kids with dual nationality. (And one who holds a Brazilian passport also). I believe basically you cannot seek out another nationality when you hold a US one. In other words the nationality you obtain has to come to you "naturally" meaning you have direct blood relation - we encountered this when getting a passport for our son, born in Brazil, but holding a US passport and it was explained very clearly by the Consulate there. Our son was naturally Brazilian because he was born there and his parents were not in the service of their country nor an occupying force when in Brazil. (We were working for the United Nations). Thus we could have our son get Brazilian nationality and hold his US passport. If there were no tie with Brazil and we sought nationality - it would be another thing. Then there is a some violation I believe and you need to relinquish US citizenship. The same with Chile. Now our son has all three passports (Brazil, US and Chile) and is not violating any laws. For us it is convenient the kids have a US passport for study in US (and financial aid, etc.) however when they become adult they may reconsider given recent laws on reporting foreign bank accounts with funds of US$ 10 K and such...re tax liabilities of foreigners overseas. Also if there is ever a military draft in US, I would not hesitate to suggest they relinquish their US citizenship. (we have 3 sons). So the US nationality waits in the wings to see if it is a privilege or a liability. For now it is wonderful that they can have the second and third passports to open the world and allow them to chose.... Cheers, (united nations mom) (ps. nice forum Spence!)
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Re: Chile to USA immigration problem

Postby Andres » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:28 am

akoch wrote:. . . I believe basically you cannot seek out another nationality when you hold a US one. . . .

Untrue. While I was a US citizen, I applied for and obtained Australian citizenship in 1993. I held both citizenships until early this year, when I renounced my US citizenship.

I was told: prior to ~1992 a bureaucratic State Department rule arbitrarily assumed that someone who applied for citizenship elsewhere implied that person wanted to renounce their US citizenship, but that bureaucratic rule was struck down in court, as the law did/does not say that.

I can not comment on Chilean law.
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Re: Chile to USA immigration problem

Postby admin » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:51 am

The law was also changed in Chile a few years ago to allow for dual citizenship. You no longer need to renounce your other citizenship, to hold Chilean citizenship. Little tweak to the law to encourage dictatorship exiles to bring their kids back home that were born in other countries. Extends now to everyone, even people with no blood ties to Chile.

There likely millions of people that hold both U.S. citizenship and other countries citizenships.
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Re: Chile to USA immigration problem

Postby California South » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:30 am

There is a good variety of information about this topic, including this forum. DYODD!

Pertaining to US citizenship
Excerpts from: http://nestmann.com/relinquish-or-renounce/

Relinquish or Renounce?
June 22nd, 2011 by Mark Nestmann

There are several ways that a U.S. citizen can expatriate; i.e., end their U.S. citizen status.

A U.S. citizen loses nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing U.S. nationality:

1. Being naturalized in a foreign country
2. Taking an oath or similar declaration of allegiance to a foreign state
3. Entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or (B) serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer.
4. ( A) Working for a foreign government as a citizen of that government; or (B) if such work requires an oath of allegiance or similar declaration.
5. Making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state.
6. Making a formal renunciation of nationality in the United States in wartime.
7. Committing treason, attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States.

Several of these actions require that you be at least 18 years old for them to be effective.

The overwhelming majority of individuals who voluntarily expatriate do so under options #1 or #5. For instance, obtaining a second passport from another country (#1) is a potentially expatriating act. If you choose to expatriate after doing so, that is your right under U.S. law.
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Re: Double wammy of a problem

Postby xpat » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:30 pm

Josiah ben Paul wrote: You should avoid presumptions Gloria. The job market in the United States has always been hit or miss, especially for someone who is still young. Therefore my fallback work was always cooking. It's not that I didn't finish this work, it's only that I didn't want to be a cook for my entire life, but didn't mind doing this type of work when necessary.

I have been administering computer systems since I was a child. This isn't a career I chose but then failed to finish. I saw the job market for administrators and programmers being outsourced to other countries like India. So for someone considering 6+ years of University and then numerous years in internship all so I can compete with some Indian man for a 20k to 30k per year job was not something that interested me. Computers are my hobby, and I didn't want to see it turn into a chore because American ISV's didn't want to pay for educated American programmers/admins. So, this was not an arbitrary decision because of what you would call a pattern of failing to fulfill what I start.

I spent 2 years building houses when my sisters boyfriend asked for my help. Sounded like a good time, but when he left town and the new house economy crashed and builders with decades of experience were flipping burgers at McDonalds I made the decision not to continue in something where there was virtually no market for such skills.

Farming vegetables has always been a hobby/passion, so I wasn't pursuing a new "career" when I moved onto my friends farm. This was a difficult time of my life (for personal reasons) and I needed to get out of dodge for some time. When the farm couldn't support itself any longer, and we all had to move, I moved out with my friends. Again, this wasn't another failure for me to continue with things.

Let's see, Window Cleaning. I loved this job. I would have gladly continued. However my boss' business got shut down for money laundering and tax evasion. So unfortunately I wasn't able to continue doing this work.

So please, don't paint people in a negative light based on false presumptions about their life history. This isn't fair to them and it isn't fair to me.

Stephen


Have you tried looking for a Linux related software support job which would allow you to work from home? There are some jobs like that in the U.S. and who knows, they might even let you work from Chile... Try keywords "work from home" & "software support" on DuckDuckGo, Google and/or Bing and see what's there.
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