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Re: Another Jurel Warning

Postby nwdiver » Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:04 pm

el gatito wrote:Do you mean that all of the produce (I mean, Jurel) is caught, and none of it is farmed (in China, supposedly)?




No farmed jurel, it’s all wild caught, it’s a major fish caught for the fish meal industry, some ends up in cans. The only fish of the tuna family (roughly mackerel is a small tuna, well sort of) that is farmed is yellowtail in Japan. The blues are caught and fed up but not farmed from egg to market.

Chinese farmed fish is predominantly freshwater where the fish are vegetarians, all or most salt water fish are carnivores (some reef tropicals are coralvores that eat coral polyps and the algae in the coral, and a few eat some algae as part of their diet).
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Re: Another Jurel Warning

Postby regioncentralX » Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:26 pm

Funny to see how in the nearby port town, the Chinese labelled stuff hardly moves despite being 200 pesos cheaper.

So maybe caught offshore by Chinese boat and then maybe processed on that Chinese boat for the Chilean market?
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Re: Another Jurel Warning

Postby el gatito » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:01 pm

I believe sea waters around China are warm, while here in Chile the Pacific waters are pretty cold (and so is the water near Norway, or, say, Sweden, where quite a bit of Jurel is wild caught). Therefore, I don't believe the Chinese labeled stuff is caught there, in Chinese waters. I think that Jurel prefers to live in cold water. Am I right?

But where, then, the "Chinese" Jurel is caught? Like RCX says?

Opened the "La Bonita" can -- and it has different cuts of fish (from what I usually see). Small pieces (and many of these), while generally -- there are 2 or 3 big pieces only in each can. Also, a bit over-processed (too soft).
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Re: blame the lobos...?

Postby greg~judy » Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:59 pm

first they blame the russians
then they blame the chinese
then they blame the peruvians...
then they turn it all around and blame the chileans...
now they're going to blame the lobo marinos...

WTF...?
but if they can't cull the russians, or the chinese, or the peruvians, or the chileans...
ok, ok - so now they'll just start to cull the lobos...?
:|

Mackerel stocks off Chile’s coast reach critically low levels 31 January 2012
Government blames foreign boats, but studies indicate that Chile is primarily to blame.

The Chilean sea has been systematically plundered over the last two decades and jack mackerel stocks have been reduced to a critical level.

Jack mackerel stocks have diminished by 90 percent over the past 20 years and mackerel catches falling from 2.3 million tons to just 500,000 in just 10 years, according to a Greenpeace study.

“The situation is critical,” Samuel Leiva of Greenpeace told Radio Universidad de Chile. “We only have 20 percent of the fish that we had back in 2000.”

But the question of who is responsible has become a highly contested topic. The Chilean government has blamed China, Russia, and mainly Peru, despite new reports implicating Chile as the principal culprit.

According to a report by the Ninth Group of Scientific Work, between 2000 and 2010, 75 percent of catches of jack mackerel were made by Chilean boats. Furthermore, Chile’s National Fisheries Council (CNP) has consistently ignored scientific recommendations made by the Institute of Fisheries Development (IFOP) to reduce mackerel fishing quotas to a sustainable level.

These revelations come as the Convention on the Conservation and Management of Fishery Resources in the High Seas of the South Pacific Ocean (ORP) started on Monday in Santiago. Representatives from South America and the European Union are gathering to agree upon new fishing regulations.

In 2010, the IFOP proposed a quota of 800,000 tons, but CNP rejected the amount, setting their limit at 1.4 million tons. Thirty individuals, 17 of whom have commercial interests in the mackerel industry, make up the National Fisheries Council.

One of the core problems is the lack of firm regulation in international waters. “Catch quotas are of little use international waters,” Felipe Moncada, CEO of Asipes, the largest fishing association in the south central area, told CIPER. “Every boat that arrives can draw whatever they want, without limit.”

Chile’s economy minister, Pablo Longueira, meanwhile, maintains that other countries are to blame.

“Foreign overfishing has brought the species to the brink of extinction,” Longueira told local press. “We are very disappointed about the low level of compliance from several states.”

Longueira cited evidence that Peruvian vessels have far out-fished the quota assigned to them.

According to Chile’s National Fisheries Society, Peruvian boats caught around 160,000 tons of mackerel last year, which was more than 5.8 times the amount agreed in accordance with recommendations from the ORP’s scientific committee.

Faced with these accusations, the president of Peru’s National Fisheries Society, Richard Inurritegui, told La Tercera, “This is a misunderstanding because Peru has complied with all agreed interim measures.”

The conference, which runs until Feb. 3, brings together 15 states and representatives from the European Union. It is hoped that the meeting will set out rigid parameters regarding fishing quotas and reduce the maximum catch to 390,000 tons.
http://www.santiagotimes.cl/chile/environment/chile/environment/23330-mackerel-stocks-off-chiles-coast-reach-critically-low-levels


Chilean government blames sea lions for drop in fish stocks 12 February 2012
Government laying out plans to systematically curb sea lion population along coast.

The Chilean government last week blamed Peruvian fishing vessels for the dramatic decline in mackerel stocks off Chile's coast. Now they’re pointing an accusatory finger toward Chile’s sea lion population.

In a scheme that contradicts the protected status of Chilean sea lions, the government has set plans to systematically cull and capture sea lions in Chilean waters, arguing that their feeding habits are partly responsible for the severe drop in fish stocks.

Senator of Chile’s Lakes Region, Camilo Escalona, claimed that sea lion overpopulation is responsible for losses of US$140 million in the fishing sector every year.

“We have been in contact with leaders of fisheries from different parts of the region, who all expressed concerns regarding this ecological imbalance,” Escalona told local press. "Every day that passes, the damage to productive sectors from sea lion overpopulation is increasing.”

The initiative will allow the hunting of sea lions with nets and firearms, using their flesh for dog food and selling their bones and reproductive organs to Asia for medicinal purposes. Sea lions that are caught live will be sold to zoos, animal shows, and circuses.

Congresswoman Carolina Goic told the SOS Sea Lion pressure group that the initiative will not benefit the country economically. "We are all responsible for the care of nature, and in the case of sea lions this is indiscriminate killing,” she said.

“The scheme has no scientific backing or technical rationality,” said a spokesperson for SOS Sea Lion. “It is just an attempt to divert public attention from the actions of over-sized industrial fishing fleets.”

Chile’s National Fisheries Society has consistently proposed unsustainable fishing quotas over the past two decades, leading to a 90 percent drop in mackerel stocks in Chilean waters.

Peter Arrey, director of the National Committee for the Protection of Fauna and Flora, argued that educational measures need to be implemented in the Chilean fishing industry.

"It is very important to incorporate a specific educational program geared to the fisheries sector,” Arrey told local press. “They see this species, not natural, but as a competition problem."
http://www.santiagotimes.cl/chile/environment/23391-chilean-government-blames-sea-lions-for-drop-in-fish-stocks


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Re: blame the lobos...?

Postby greg~judy » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:11 pm

greg~judy wrote:The initiative will allow the hunting of sea lions with nets and firearms, using their flesh for dog food and selling their bones and reproductive organs to Asia for medicinal purposes. Sea lions that are caught live will be sold to zoos, animal shows, and circuses.


so ya want to turn me into dog food, eh?
so ya want to sell my bones, do ya?
so ya want my penis for those impotent asians, huh?
so ya want to sell me to a freak'n side-show, too
yeah right --- just step around that fence and say that to my face, weon!

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Re: blame the lobos...?

Postby patagoniax » Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:27 pm

greg~judy wrote:
Chilean government blames sea lions for drop in fish stocks 12 February 2012
Government laying out plans to systematically curb sea lion population along coast.


The salmon industry workers have been killing off sea lions that come around the fish-cages for many years. Lots of sea lions. Likewise the "pescadores artesanales" and probably the big boys as well. A few of the fishermen in the local fleet here in Natales carry aboard what in other countries would be affectionately known as a sawed-off shotgun, mostly for the purposes of dealing with the sea lion problems. Mostly. Of course, the local fishermen sometimes use those shotguns to disappear one another instead of the sea lions. It's a rough sport at times and they're not all a bunch of real swell and sober guys.

We had a recent case of that here in Puerto Natales:

http://www.emol.com/noticias/nacional/2 ... uerpo.html
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Re: blame the lobos...?

Postby greg~judy » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:19 pm

patagoniax wrote:The salmon industry workers have been killing off sea lions that come around the fish-cages for many years. Lots of sea lions.


you want my flesh~bones~penis now weon...?
come and get it!
(buzzards only need apply)
:|

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Re: Another Jurel Warning

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:59 pm

This is a 12 gauge sawed-off shotgun OR escopeta hechiza, the most common arma de las poblaciones, which can put a nice big hole in your lobo ass. You eat our fish and we don't like it, so what will it be lobo punk? Do you fell lucky, SÍ o NO?

When I went on a surf fishing expedition in very isolated parts of the Santo Domingo and south of Rapel River coastal areas, it was not uncommon to find dead lobos that died of less than natural causes.

For the artesanal fisherman, the big issue these days, as I believe RCX referred to, is now jibia better known as the giant squid of Chile. Their theory is that first merluza disappeared, then jurel and now (about to happen to) jibia because of the big commercial fishmeal operations.

We shall see. :|
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