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Re: Likely moving to pisco elqui, looking for english speake

Postby thisisreallycomplicated » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:55 pm

patagoniax wrote:
thisisreallycomplicated wrote:
patagoniax wrote:4. If you are worried about your health, Chile is not the place to be.

Unfortunately there aren't many options left. How does it compare to Argentina?

patagoniax wrote:5 In Chile, if it's a desert, it's toxic. There are other ways to say it, but in the end that is the message.

How far south do you have to go before it gets reasonably non-toxic, or is it bad everywhere?


You don't have to live in a desert or near mining. Many places in VII Región and southward with probably less toxicity, and most have easy access to water. Just bear in mind that commercial farming and some industries in Chile also contribute to the contamination landscape.


patagoniax wrote:4. Unfortunately there aren't many options left. How does it compare to Argentina?


Argentine toxicity comes in more flavours, including how badly you can be treated by their government. In Chile, property and business owners suffered terribly 1970-1973 and that included theft by the government. In Argentina such things have continued to more recent times.

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Isn't this the sort of thing you might like to do? Then why try to live in a place where it rarely rains and water is usually contaminated and hard to obtain?

No cacho.

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Before the multiple melt-throughs (much worse than meltdowns) in Japan, it wouldn't have made much sense. But things are different now, and noone knows exactly where all that new contamination will go. Most of what's in the atmosphere should stay north of the ITCZ. But all that crap going in the Pacific is a different story. Anyway, some of the atmospheric contamination will probably get here, and that will come down with the rain. So now, learning to live and grow food in a desert actually makes some sense.

For some background:

Helen Caldicott:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITrXVJMKeQ

A is for Atom:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2 ... _atom.html

And for some of the latest news:
http://enenews.com/
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Re: Likely moving to pisco elqui, looking for english speake

Postby Red » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:46 pm

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Red wrote:There's always camping and it's always a treat in Chile. Remember to bring your earplugs or plenty of fixins for Rusty Nails.

Just down the hill from the town of Pisco Elqui is a campground on the creek (river in that landscape). Camped there for one night and experienced the solitude of the high desert. Well, except for the teenagers who partied till 5:30. From the moment I crawled out of the sleeping bag, I strove to make the maximum noise possible, culminating with laying on the horn all the way through the campground on the way back up to PE. The few wandering around at that hour stared at me like zombies, no doubt thinking I was a candidate for local office (this was early dec, '09).

We bought a round of goat cheese from a huaso who came to the campsite and later came across a rodeo up canyon from Pisco Elqui. Fascinating area; lots of unexpected surprises.

Beautiful but harsh landscape. It may not tolerate you showing up unprepared. Being able to live on sunshine would be a plus.


what is this campsite called?


No me recuerdo. We called it noisy.

Plenty of campsites/campgrounds along the watercourses in that area. Most are peaceful if you get far enough away from La Serena and better to be on dirt roads.

Much discussion of this area being contaminated by the local mines. Consider also that huge areas are being cultivated to pisco grapes and I can't imagine they are all growing them organically. Probably tons of fertilizers, pesticides, anti-fungal stuff, etc ending up in the ground and surface water. At any rate, finding yourself competing for scarce supplies of polluted water can't lead to bliss.


Might consider the area from Curico to Chillan, east of the panamerican. Good climate and water; appeared to be decent soil. As pax says, there are big ag-business there, but you can always find a small plot.
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Re: Likely moving to pisco elqui, looking for english speake

Postby thisisreallycomplicated » Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:55 pm

Red wrote:Plenty of campsites/campgrounds along the watercourses in that area. Most are peaceful if you get far enough away from La Serena and better to be on dirt roads.

How big is a typical campsite?
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Re: Likely moving to pisco elqui, looking for english speake

Postby Red » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:04 pm

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Red wrote:Plenty of campsites/campgrounds along the watercourses in that area. Most are peaceful if you get far enough away from La Serena and better to be on dirt roads.

How big is a typical campsite?


Well, big enough for a couple of tents. Campgrounds vary in overall size. Big thing is that everything is right on the creeks pretty much and so the campgrounds are often strung out. We were there at a relatively slow time and had our pick of sites for the most part. One thing in Chile- don't be shy about looking a place over or negotiating hard and being a bit demanding. Otherwise they'll assume you are all right with a second rate experience. Show up a little earlier in the day in case you have to look over more than one campground. They won't MAKE it right for you- you have to do that.

Hope that helps; but it's like everything else in Chile- you won't know what's up till you're there.
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Re: Likely moving to pisco elqui, looking for english speake

Postby nwdiver » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:22 pm

Red wrote:
thisisreallycomplicated wrote:
Red wrote:Plenty of campsites/campgrounds along the watercourses in that area. Most are peaceful if you get far enough away from La Serena and better to be on dirt roads.

How big is a typical campsite?


Well, big enough for a couple of tents. Campgrounds vary in overall size. Big thing is that everything is right on the creeks pretty much and so the campgrounds are often strung out. We were there at a relatively slow time and had our pick of sites for the most part. One thing in Chile- don't be shy about looking a place over or negotiating hard and being a bit demanding. Otherwise they'll assume you are all right with a second rate experience. Show up a little earlier in the day in case you have to look over more than one campground. They won't MAKE it right for you- you have to do that.

Hope that helps; but it's like everything else in Chile- you won't know what's up till you're there.





For those new to Chile the word “Camping” is a noun, that all :roll: :lol:
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Re: Likely moving to pisco elqui, looking for english speake

Postby rust » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:37 pm

So how come no one has suggested Valparaiso to this Dog Poet?
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Re: Likely moving to pisco elqui, looking for english speake

Postby thisisreallycomplicated » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:34 pm

Red wrote:
thisisreallycomplicated wrote:
Red wrote:Plenty of campsites/campgrounds along the watercourses in that area. Most are peaceful if you get far enough away from La Serena and better to be on dirt roads.

How big is a typical campsite?


Well, big enough for a couple of tents. Campgrounds vary in overall size. Big thing is that everything is right on the creeks pretty much and so the campgrounds are often strung out. We were there at a relatively slow time and had our pick of sites for the most part. One thing in Chile- don't be shy about looking a place over or negotiating hard and being a bit demanding. Otherwise they'll assume you are all right with a second rate experience. Show up a little earlier in the day in case you have to look over more than one campground. They won't MAKE it right for you- you have to do that.

Hope that helps; but it's like everything else in Chile- you won't know what's up till you're there.

Thanks, that does help.
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