Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby ColoColoUSA » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:50 pm

I could've easily left the UK with the impression that every lower class Briton was a grifter, but after understanding the historical development of the nation from the Thatcher years on down, I instead saw the impact of continued neo-liberal economic polices and it's affects on subsequent generations.
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Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby ColoColoUSA » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:39 pm

I do not think of socialism as simply a policy of redistributing wealth, but changing the social relations within production that cause major hierarchies, i.e. social classes in society. Socialism is not some leacherous state wrapped around a productive free market economy sucking it dry while retaining it's initial structure. It's about constructing an entirely new society, and not a utopian one which will eliminate all crime or social ills.

For instance, the Soviet Union did not undue the contradictions existing in the capitalist enterprise, it merely nationalized them. It replaced the owners of capital with bureaucratic managers at the helm. This is why after the fall of Communism, it was so easy for those at the helm of these enterprises to become millionaire owners.

I am only assuming that you believe that all socialism is is some state mandated redistribution policy, i.e. a welfare state, no?

The point of socialism is this; why accept a democracy in the political sphere but not in the economic sphere?
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Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby nwdiver » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:45 pm

double post, can't wait for my computer to go home and back.
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Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby nwdiver » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:46 pm

patagoniax wrote:
nwdiver wrote:[

I have said it before and here it is again, I believe it has to do with the Codified Legal system used in many countries, Chile included. In this system there is no concept of Common Law, so it’s all ME ME ME never WE and when it’s WE it is only family included.


I think your understanding of "Common Law" may differ from the usual law-school meanings in the US and Canada (and Jhyre and all you other attorneys should jump in here) which derive from traditional English law. In this system the "common law" has nothing to do with the sort of collective societal warm fuzzy I suspect you are thinking of. Instead, common law relates to prior court determinations or precedents and is not codified (once codified it would then become Civil Law in Canada and statutory law in the US). At least in Canada, the Civil Law is an outgrowth of Roman law tradition. There is much more to it, of course, and since I only studied a bit of law in the US and not in Canada I am not the one to further hijack the thread over that point.

I believe that there is a lot of we we we in Chilean uncivil behaviour,which the people like to refer to as solidarity. I refer again to the insurrection in Magallanes earlier this year.




True I just use it as a term, not a legal term.

Ok, I really mean the concept of “the commons” as is found in non codified societies, you don’t have to be told it’s wrong to know it’s wrong.
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Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby ColoColoUSA » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:50 pm

In other words you continue to correct grammar on a chat forum rather than addressing the issue. I am not writing a term paper. I would've edited that. And I used the terms properly in earlier posts.

What is your point, other than you do not have one? That type of nitpicking is really prevalent among right wing types such as yourself. As if the error really changed what the nature of my argument.
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Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby ColoColoUSA » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:56 pm

Leacherous is the state of living in debauchery.


No. Lecherous is. Now get back to the main argument.
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Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby ColoColoUSA » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:58 pm

patagoniax wrote:
ColoColoUSA wrote: As if the error really changed what the nature of my argument.


The errors in reasoning are as obvious as in the carelessness of the writing.


Leacherous is the state of living in debauchery


Indeed. OMGZ did you grow up in the trailer park?
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Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby ColoColoUSA » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:14 pm

patagoniax wrote:
ColoColoUSA wrote:In other words you continue to correct grammar


Did they not teach you the fundamental distinctions between spelling, grammar, and diction? You are attempting to espouse such socialist theory whilst lacking the rudiments of basic English communication skills?


You seem to get the gist of it, other than that you're just nitpicking.

Anyways....

If its due to "culture", than the "cause" is omnipresent and thus cannot be used as evidence for any sort of change. Why did Chilean crime not stay the same over the 20th c.? There's been no mass influx of immigration or anything other element to change or dilute 'culture', which according to you is the only plausible causal agent.
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Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby ColoColoUSA » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:15 pm

patagoniax wrote:
ColoColoUSA wrote: That type of nitpicking is really prevalent among right wing types such as yourself.


Right mind, not right wing. But the right-mindedness comes from being left-handed.


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Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby ColoColoUSA » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:33 pm

patagoniax wrote:.
Colocolo, you were drawn into this series of exchanges partly as a mechanism for assessing your suitability for work within a Chilean government ministry. It is now clear to me, as it would soon be to any responsible interviewer here in Chile, that you would have very little that is distinctive to offer as a potentially productive government employee, at least not in the Ministerio that I work for.

However, there are a number of socialist parties in Chile. And there is always the communist-led teachers' union, which is of course largely responsible for the state of education in this country. There may be opportunities for you in those areas.


In other words, my political and world view does not match up to your right wing nonsense?
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Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby ColoColoUSA » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:36 pm

patagoniax wrote:
ColoColoUSA wrote: In other words, my political and world view does not match up to your right wing nonsense?


I don't care about your politics. It's your spelling.


Which you didn't seem to mind until today. And I am on chat forum for pete's sake. Are you seriously dismissing my arguments wholesale because of the few errors?

You're the one who corrected me on a word you then misspelled yourself. Rather arrogantly, I may add.

Are you just trolling me? You really think I would submit a report without checking it for errors or something?
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Re: Is it hard to find work in Chile for dual citizens?

Postby nwdiver » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:40 pm

patagoniax wrote:
ColoColoUSA wrote:I do not think of socialism as simply a policy of redistributing wealth, but changing the social relations within production that cause major hierarchies, i.e. social classes in society. Socialism is not some leacherous state wrapped around a productive free market economy sucking it dry while retaining it's initial structure. It's about constructing an entirely new society, and not a utopian one which will eliminate all crime or social ills.

For instance, the Soviet Union did not undue the contradictions existing in the capitalist enterprise, it merely nationalized them. It replaced the owners of capital with bureaucratic managers at the helm. This is why after the fall of Communism, it was so easy for those at the helm of these enterprises to become millionaire owners.

I am only assuming that you believe that all socialism is is some state mandated redistribution policy, i.e. a welfare state, no?

The point of socialism is this; why accept a democracy in the political sphere but not in the economic sphere?


leacherous?

Did you go to school in California?

Leacherous is the state of living in debauchery.

the Soviet Union did not undue the contradictions ( you may have meant "undo.")





I think socialism is a lecherous state they are all debauched ;)
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