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by **Andres** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:54 pm

Red wrote:The trail of clues identifying the decline of a nation is too long to catalog, . . .

I suggest Noam Chomsky's book, "Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy" as a good read on this subject.
Though I don't always concur with Chomsky's logic or conclusions, his book has a lot of valuable facts upon which one can make your own decisions.
My perspective of which states are 'failed', 'failing' or 'rogue' changed significantly after reading the book.

PS: I would have no problems following a female leader.
(Especially if she has a good-looking backside.) Did I say that?

by **Red** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:26 pm

john wrote: Camila Vallejo seems to be doing a good job!

We must be referring to different charges. Here I may go by the name Red, but it doesn't describe my politics. I might find it interesting to learn more about the person wearing a Che shirt, but I would never follow them. In fact, I don't ascribe to any political direction or leaning per se except to look out for yours truly (and his family and community).

Andres wrote: I would have no problems following a female leader.

As a married man, nor would I.

Who knows, maybe the "fight" will be a civilized one and no one need put their life on the line. In that case, with lower stakes, maybe any number of people can be leaders and spokespersons. Many probably feel that way. I think they are vastly underestimating both the opposition and what it takes to lead.

by **john** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:14 pm

Red wrote:
john wrote: Camila Vallejo seems to be doing a good job!

We must be referring to different charges. Here I may go by the name Red, but it doesn't describe my politics. I might find it interesting to learn more about the person wearing a Che shirt, but I would never follow them. In fact, I don't ascribe to any political direction or leaning per se except to look out for yours truly (and his family and community).

Interesting perspectives! I was simply responding to your contention that females can not be strong leaders. The reason I mentioned Camila is because she appears to be a strong leader of the 'student movement' in Chile with, apparently, wide support.
Andres wrote: I would have no problems following a female leader.

As a married man, nor would I.

Who knows, maybe the "fight" will be a civilized one and no one need put their life on the line. In that case, with lower stakes, maybe any number of people can be leaders and spokespersons. Many probably feel that way. I think they are vastly underestimating both the opposition and what it takes to lead.

I'm reminded of the adage: When you're in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging.

by **john** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:23 pm

Interesting article in the business section of today's Los Angeles Times:

Corporations need a social conscience

http:// www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik- ... 445.column

by **john** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:21 am

Latest opinion piece by Joseph E. Stiglitz (the last two paragraphs are particularly salient).

The Globalisation of Protest

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2 ... of-protest

by **greg~judy** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:16 pm

bankstas occupy wall street...;-p
:alien:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fSN3JB2XTSI#%21

by **john** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:17 pm

Bloomberg's One Percent Solution: "Understanding why Occupy Wall Street has stymied the mayor at every turn."

http://readersupportednews.org/off-site ... t-solution

by **john** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:09 pm

Opinion piece by Robert Reich:

Why We Must Occupy Democracy

http://www.readersupportednews.org/opin ... -democracy

by **California South** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:24 pm

"Conservatives Side With Pepper-Spraying Thugs"
http://lewrockwell.com/greenhut/greenhut67.1.html

Interesting read, no matter what side of the aisle you are on.

by **john** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:08 am

California South wrote:"Conservatives Side With Pepper-Spraying Thugs"
http://lewrockwell.com/greenhut/greenhut67.1.html

Interesting read, no matter what side of the aisle you are on.

No surprise there!

by **john** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:10 pm

Leaked: Republicans Scared of Occupy Wall Street - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B3Fw5TPJK8

by **greg~judy** » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:46 pm

California South wrote:"Conservatives Side With Pepper-Spraying Thugs"

Interesting read, no matter what side of the aisle you are on.

FYI _ FWIW _

Interesting read, no matter what side of the pepper product you are on.

http://reason.com/archives/2011/12/01/pepper-sprays-progressive-origins/print

http://www.amazon.com/Defense-Technology-56895-Stream-Pepper/product-reviews/B0058EOAUE/ref=cm_cr_pr_btm_recent?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

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