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Re: center~left crisis(?)... posturing already for 2013?

Postby patagoniax » Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:33 pm

FrankPintor wrote:
admin wrote:They missed this bit in the article, they were in violation of the law the moment they stepped on the streets to protest because they had no permit

It wasn't missed, the article says "Vallejo was quick to retort that public gatherings need no authorisation". Maybe that assertion is incorrect, but you have a more informed opinion?


The media in Chile have been quoting the intendenta and other officials who indicated that the latest demonstration had been denied authorisation for the route. The point appeared to be lost on some of the foreign media. Camila appears to consider their activities above the law, and has been warned on several occasions. There have been accounts that Camila denies responsibility for the gatherings and says they are out of her control, that they are somehow spontaneous, although in fact they are called out by her organisation.


Para evitar el chamullo de siempre:

Incidentes en Santiago dejan 168 detenidos y 30 heridos

06 de octubre de 2011 • 18:45 • actualizado el 07 de octubre de 2011 a las 00:50

[...] Según la autoridad regional, los detenidos son por desórdenes graves y lanzar piedras en contra de carabineros y de civiles. Pérez expresó también que “no creo que sea justo que después de cinco meses de movilización, 36 marchas autorizadas, un espíritu de diálogo por parte de la Intendencia para entablar relaciones serias y responsables con los dirigentes del movimiento estudiantil, ellos irresponsablemente hayan convocado a una marcha en un lugar que no estaba autorizado, existiendo autorización por parte de la intendencia a marchar en un trazado puntual”

Por último, la Intendenta destacó que “los santiaguinos están cansados y no merecen seguir sufriendo las consecuencias de estas marchas estudiantiles. Durante este año, sólo en daños a la propiedad pública, los municipios de Santiago, Providencia, Recoleta y Estación Central han gastado cerca de 1.500 millones de pesos. No es justo que esa cuenta la paguen todos los chilenos y, quienes convocan a estas movilizaciones, quieran estar eximidos de toda responsabilidad”.



----------- other article

Zalaquett: "Esta ha sido una de las marchas más violentas"
El alcalde de Santiago dijo que se estima que los costos de los desmanes serán "altos". "Aquí no hubo intención de marchar", señaló el edil.
por Pía Sierralta - 06/10/2011 - 14:19


El alcalde de Santiago, Pablo Zalaquett, indicó a La Tercera que la marcha convocada para este jueves por el movimiento estudiantil, cuyo recorrido no fue autorizado por la Intendencia metropolitana ha sido una de las más violentas.
camino sin fronteras quisiera ser/
sin prisa ni motivo para volver
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Re: center~left crisis(?)... posturing already for 2013?

Postby admin » Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:43 am

You want to be the leader of a rowdy protest with no march permit, and you get tear gassed. suck it up!

I expect to get a dose of tear gas just going to watch a protest in chile.

I have learned to check the wind direction (and also where the water cannons are parked) I got a few good doses of gas and nearly run over from getting too close a few years ago.
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Re: center~left crisis(?)... posturing already for 2013?

Postby greg~judy » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:58 am

well, the Concertación certainly isn't wasting any time here...
distancing themselves from Piñera's policies...
btw - the bent of this missive - from the world socialist website
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President Piñera unleashes repression against Chile’s student movement 11 October 2011

Using mounted police charges, rubber bullets, teargas and water cannon, the right-wing government of President Sebastián Piñera violently suppressed a student march last Thursday in Chile. Hundreds of protesters were injured, and 250 were arrested.

The police attacked passersby, beat up journalists and staged a particularly brutal attack on student leaders immediately after they had held a press conference.

The Confederation of Students of Chile (CONFECH) had called the march after its negotiations with the government collapsed over the demand for free, state-run education for all. The five-month-old protest movement has seen the occupation of over 100 high schools nationwide, and a dozen universities shut down by strikes and protests.

In what appeared to be a deliberate provocation, the government brought back the same proposal that the students had rejected two weeks earlier. At the same time, Piñera announced on Sunday a proposed bill that would criminalize student demonstrations and the occupations of high schools and colleges. The draft legislation includes penalties of up to three years’ imprisonment.

At least 132 protest demonstrations have occurred this year in the Chilean capital of Santiago alone. Thirty-six of the largest have been by students demanding an end to the educational legacy of the dictatorship of General Augusto Pinochet.

Predictably, the breakdown of negotiations drove the students to resume their protests. This time, however, Santiago’s regional governor, Cecilia Perez, denied permission for the students to march along the Alameda , Santiago’s main boulevard, the route of all the previous protest marches through downtown Santiago to the La Moneda Government House.

The refusal to approve the route had only one explanation: it was to provide a green light for repression by Chile’s militarized police.

On Thursday of last week, the University of Chile and many other places became urban battlefields. The fierce fighting lasted all day as students attempted to move through the Alameda, which had been occupied by police special forces.

University students defended themselves by barricading the University of Chile, and High School students set up their own barricades at the Liceo Darío Salas.

According to the Santiago daily La Tercera, “using loudspeakers, the police told protesters to assemble in the Bustamante Park, because the march was not authorized in the Alameda.” This only served to bring students together in one place to better repress and disperse the protest. Everything indicated a police operation that had been well planned in advance.

“Residents of the area of Plaza Italia assisted those protesters affected by the action of the water cannos and tear gas,” reported La Tercera, and as a result of the aggression against students, “the traffic was cut from Plaza Italia to the east.”

The student protests received popular support in other Chilean cities. In Valparaíso some 2,500 school and university students marched on Congress. In Valdivia nearly 1,000 students and education workers marched.

There were several clashes in the northern city of Antofagasta, where the police special forces made use of water cannon on the pretext that the demonstrators were obstructing traffic.

Chilean citizens repudiated Thursday’s police violence with cacerolazos, banging pots and pans throughout the country. Polls have indicated that 70 percent of the population backs the students’ demands.

The sequence of events, going from “dialogue” to Piñera’s deliberate provoking of the students along with the refusal to approve the march route, point to a deliberate government orchestration of the confrontation aimed at branding the students as criminals, turning the Chilean people against them and pushing through a new law criminalizing demonstrations.

Regional governor Cecilia Perez’s threat, that she was “always going to enforce the law on those irresponsible people who claim to be above it,” was echoed by other politicians. Juan Antonio Coloma, president of the Pinochetist Independent Democratic Union (UDI), stated: “Chile has to deal decisively with the law and the continuing public disorders that are occurring.”

Meanwhile, Piñera, a billionaire who made his fortune in the 1970s when Pinochet was brutally repressing the Chilean working class, said his government “always will put forward the right of the immense majority,” referring to the draft law [to imprison students] that is now before parliament.

This threat comes from a president who has less than 30 percent approval and is detested by the millions of Chileans who support the student demonstrations and who want a radical change to the neoliberal model imposed at gunpoint by the Pinochet regime.

The layer of Chilean society that Piñera represents was reflected in the cynical statement by his education minister, Felipe Bulnes, who insisted that the government had a “different vision” than the students, claiming that their demand for free higher education for all would mean that “the poor end up subsidizing the education for the richest.”

The government has rejected any fundamental structural changes in Chile’s education system, proposing instead $4 billion in extra funding and minor reforms, while rejecting state control and free education for all. Students said that the negotiations were like “talking to a wall.”

Around the world, for-profit education has served to deepen social inequality between a small elite that has been enriched beyond measure on the backs of the vast majority. It is part and parcel of the turn toward wholesale privatization and financial speculation that has ended up producing the world’s deepest economic crisis of the last three quarters of a century.

Piñera’s decision to opt for repression took the center-left parties of the Concertación coalition by surprise. They had been the first to applaud the negotiations between the students and the government and fear now that the violent repression will cast them in the role of Piñera’s accomplices.

In a document entitled “Our Commitment”, the Concertación parties—the Socialist Party (PS), Christian Democrats (DC), Social Democratic Radical Party (PRSD) and Party for Democracy (PPD)—refer to a “new stage” and raise three points: a new constitution, an “Agenda for Equality” and “Inclusive Development.”

This is nothing but recycled quackery from a coalition that ruled Chile for 20 years, from the end of the dictatorship in 1990 to 2010, without initiating any fundamental reform of the educational system. Its aim now is to divert students from the struggle for a socialist solution to the problem of education, which would confront the capitalist state that these parties defend.


The declaration of the former president and Socialist Party leader Michelle Bachelet—that her government “did not have the support of all political sectors to advance from profit-based education, to education that is free and to guarantee quality education for all”—is a lie. It was when she was in office in 2006 that Chile saw its largest ever student strike, organized on the demand that President Bachelet repudiate the Pinochet education law and with over half a million young people participating.

Internally, the Concertación also discussed the need to include other political organizations in its coalition, such as the Communist Party (PCCh) and the Progressive Party, and the creation of a new center-left party. It is desperate to revamp the coalition, which today polls only 11 percent support, trailing the unpopular Piñera.


The PCCh is invited to participate because of its influence on the student movement, but also because it is seen as a proven instrument of bourgeois rule. In the early 1970s, with its policy of a parliamentary road to socialism, it was primarily responsible for keeping the mass struggles of the working class subordinated to the government of President Salvador Allende. It supported the repression of striking miners and sought to cultivate illusions in the “professionalism” of the Chilean army, thereby paving the way for the coup that plunged the people of Chile into 17 years of dictatorship and repression.

The CONFECH student federation together with the United Workers Central (CUT) have called for another general strike in support of the students’ demands to be held on October 18-19.

At the same time, however, CONFECH leader Camila Vallejo, who is affiliated to the youth arm of the Chilean Communist Party, the JJ.CC., told TVN television in Chile that the student movement had to begin thinking in the “long term” about how it would realize its demands.

“We cannot be on strike for three years,” she said, “obviously we will have to look for different conditions for mobilization.” She indicated that this could focus on “the next political events, like the elections.”

Clearly, the Concertación politicians and their allies in the Chilean Communist Party would like to channel the popular mass movement of Chilean students behind a campaign to bring the discredited Socialist Party-led coalition back to power. Given its two-decade record, however, such a course is a prescription for the betrayal of the students’ struggle.

This struggle, for the right to a free and high quality education for all, is in direct contradiction to the austerity measures that are being enforced by capitalist governments all over the world. It can be achieved only through the independent, revolutionary mobilization of the entire working class in the struggle to put an end to capitalism in Chile as part of the struggle for socialism throughout Latin America and on a world scale.
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everything will have to change."

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Re: center~left crisis(?)... posturing already for 2013?

Postby admin » Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:46 am

Who writes this crap? I mean, seriously, who writes this crap?

Given the subject and the material to work with, that is the best they can come up with in terms of propaganda?

I am talking about effective persuasive writing 101, regardless of your belief in the cause.
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Re: center~left crisis(?)... posturing already for 2013?

Postby gregf » Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:54 pm

Using mounted police charges, rubber bullets, teargas and water cannon, the right-wing government of President Sebastián Piñera violently suppressed a student march last Thursday in Chile. Hundreds of protesters were injured, and 250 were arrested.



At least they show their horrible bias right away. They didn't mention the protesters climbing on roofs, heaving molotov cocktails adn rocks into neighborhoods, setting buses on fire, burning tires in residential neighborhoods, violently attacking police (not vice versa), and robbing the hell out of businesses down town. Nor did they mention that the majority of Santiago folk seem to have lost sympathy for the protesters as a result of the mass destruction and robberies.

There are issues in the educational system. It doesn't seem to me that violent protests are going to get them changed, though. The populace is getting fed up.
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