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Re: US taxpayer - in Chile - google ad income

Postby admin » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:45 pm

It is killing me that I can not cut and past. Perhaps some one else can do it.

On the above page on the irs site is a link to the US social security site, that has a link to full text of the chile agreement and explanation of how to qualify as a us citizen living in chile and where you have to request the certificate and other instructions.
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Re: US taxpayer - in Chile - google ad income

Postby admin » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:11 pm

This is the brief version, and I am not a us tax expert. You will have to do your homework / hire a tax expert to verify the us tax part. I am just a fellow victim that reads a lot, but...

You should in theory (again situation dependent) be able to work in chile as a us citizen as a self-employed person, being paid outside chile. you would pay 0 tax in both the us and chile on your income payed outside chile for the first three years up to about 85,000 to about 120,000 us (depending on housing allowance, exlusions, etc) for the us and unlimited for chile. You would pay income tax for chilean sourced income, but for most IT or similar that is not an issue.

After your first three years in chile, as self-employed (if you form a company you would pay more all the way around most likly), you would pay to chile as a self-employed professional (if you sell a product then you pay more, but that is another story) somewhere from 0 on the bottom to well ... You need to check the tax brackets in chile for your situation but it will be a lot less than in the US.

All your existing wealth earned before chile is not taxable (e.g. You sell your house and buy one in chile, big savings account), and foreign pensions are never taxed in chile.
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Re: US taxpayer - in Chile - google ad income

Postby admin » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:16 am

O.k. got it now:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/int ... 36,00.html

From the social security web site dealing exactly with Chile:
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/internati ... chile.html

Under U.S. law, self-employed workers are covered by U.S. Social Security if they are U.S. citizens or U.S. resident aliens. The agreement does not have any effect on the coverage of self-employed U.S. residents—they remain covered by U.S. Social Security. Since self-employment is covered under the Chilean system on a voluntary basis, self-employed U.S. residents (including Chilean citizens) do not need any documentation to show they are exempt from contributions under the Chilean system.
The agreement exempts self-employed U.S. citizens who reside in Chile from U.S. Social Security coverage. As a result, if you are a self-employed U.S. citizen and reside in Chile, you do not have to pay U.S. Social Security taxes on your self-employment income. To document your exemption from the payment of U.S. Social Security self-employment taxes (SECA), you need to get a certificate of coverage from Chile’s Superintendency of Pension Fund Administrators (the new pension system) at the address in "Chilean certificates" section above.

Be sure to provide the following information in your request:

Full name (including paternal and maternal surnames);
Date and place of birth;
Citizenship;
Country of permanent residence;
U.S. Social Security number, Chilean Registration Number for Social Insurance and the National Identification Number (RUT)––NOTE: If you have not been issued one of these numbers, you may omit it.
Nature of self-employment activity;
Dates the activity was or will be performed; and
Name and address of your trade or business in both countries.
You should attach a photocopy of the certificate to your U.S. income tax return each year as proof of the exemption.
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Re: US taxpayer - in Chile - google ad income

Postby no country for young men » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:20 pm

Andres wrote:So, I reckon you should create a non-US company which "delivers" services which generates google ad income, and have your wife become an employee of that company. Depending upon shareholding of the company (between you and your wife), it also gives you the opportunity to decide who receives what amount of income. Also, you can accumulate assets within the company, often at a lower tax rate than if paid to an individual.


This sounds good, but I am leery due to a previous tour of duty a long time ago in Singapore.

side general question: for admin I guess.

My wife had a one man shop in Singapore a long time ago. It was a pain in the butt to set up (as a foreigner? as a woman?) even though Singapore had a bright blue PR haze of being business friendly).

Sounds like -from posts on allchile.net and from general PR - it is easy to set up a one man shop (other than the opening a bank account problem), but is it really that easy (and inexpensive) when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of starting a company?
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Re: US taxpayer - in Chile - google ad income

Postby admin » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:36 pm

Don"t confuse being self-employed professional with starting a company. A company will have a whole lot of reporting and tax costs. Just being a simple self-employed professional issuing boletas, is done by initiating activities at the irs.

If you need to form a company is a whole different topic, and in most cases not worth it unless you have sales in chile or some other special situation.
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Re: US taxpayer - in Chile - google ad income

Postby no country for young men » Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:56 pm

admin wrote:O.k. got it now:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/int ... 36,00.html

From the social security web site dealing exactly with Chile:
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/internati ... chile.html

Under U.S. law, self-employed workers are covered by U.S. Social Security if they are U.S. citizens or U.S. resident aliens. The agreement does not have any effect on the coverage of self-employed U.S. residents—they remain covered by U.S. Social Security. Since self-employment is covered under the Chilean system on a voluntary basis, self-employed U.S. residents (including Chilean citizens) do not need any documentation to show they are exempt from contributions under the Chilean system.
The agreement exempts self-employed U.S. citizens who reside in Chile from U.S. Social Security coverage. As a result, if you are a self-employed U.S. citizen and reside in Chile, you do not have to pay U.S. Social Security taxes on your self-employment income. To document your exemption from the payment of U.S. Social Security self-employment taxes (SECA), you need to get a certificate of coverage from Chile’s Superintendency of Pension Fund Administrators (the new pension system) at the address in "Chilean certificates" section above.


Admin, thanks, sorry to put you through the trouble.

I'm prone to read too much into guv docs and after reading the two paragraphs above, I wonder about the distinction between a US citizen residing in Chile (me) and a U.S green card holder residing in Chile (my wife). I assume that if I become exempt from making self employment payments into US social security, that my wife does, but that's just an assumption. I will read through the linked document and research it. Thanks.

As noted in my first post, I have other questions on the US/Chile totalization agreement for which I am not looking for detailed answers at this point, just a quick overview.

The second question is: what happens to one's future US social security benefits if one gets a Chilean citizenship and gives up US citizenship?

But, I will post this question as a new thread so other readers can find it by title.
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