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patagoniax wrote:

gloriosopicante wrote:I think that gato con cara de perro means lobo con piel de oveja...

ja ja

Y el conejo con cuernos de antílope ¿algún significado?

It's not a vulgar plain old rabbit with horns, it's the rare Jackalope!

Sirs, so what is the best weapon? A warrior without a good weapon is like a fart without a smell. Nontraditional usage of various things as weapons counts.

gato wrote:Sirs, so what is the best weapon?
A warrior without a good weapon is like a fart without a smell.
Nontraditional usage of various things as weapons counts.

He's big. Is he good?
He can beat most men with his breath.
--- Mad Max 3: Beyond Thunderdome

He ain't one that would be easy to forget.
He could kill a man with his breath alone.
--- "The Magnificent Seven"

gato wrote:Sirs, so what is the best weapon? A warrior without a good weapon is like a fart without a smell. Nontraditional usage of various things as weapons counts.

I've always remembered the eye-glasses to the throat move from Godfather Pt. 3. Could get you out of a sticky situation if your assailant or you wear glasses.

Thomas wrote:

You talk about 40% risk of a home robbery.
But as far i can see the report talks about any member of the family being exposed to robbery or attempt in the home or somewhere else.
The report further states that about 80% takes place in public areas and that about 75% is without violence.

It took a while and the comparisons don't match very well due to the differing ways of collecting and characterising data.

In Chilean cities, using the local definitions for households and exposure to crime and attempted crimes (e.g., attempted burglaries) against household itself or members of the household: somewhere around 30 - 40 percent of such "households" affected in any given 6 month period.

In a superficial survey of US cities comparable to Stgo, Concepcion, Temuco, and Iquique, the methods don't match very well, but it looks like the exposures would be about 5 - 10 percent for similar households for any given year, some cities worse than others of course, and the numbers are not for the six month period reported in Chile. So take the top end of the CL 6 month household exposure and an estimated 6-month high-end exposure for US cities and household exposure and what do you get? Somewhere around 40 percent of Chilean urban households and 5 percent of US urban households with at least one member exposed to a reportable crime or attempt. That would make Chile a fairly typical Latin American country.

But if it's violent or "serious crime" comparisons, the US in 2010 shows about 4.8 homicides per 100,000; Canada about 1.8; Chile about 1.7; Oz and the UK about 1.3 -- but homicide alone doesn't cover all the serious crime observed in Chile. For the image below - Distribution of crime complaints in all CL first semester 2010. Scroll image a bit. For that reporting period, Valpo and the north had the highest reporting major-crime rate (about 800 per 100,000 for Valpo, 969 for Tarapacá which includes Iquique, and 905 for Antofagasta ) -- vs Maule region (about half the Valpo rate, or about 430 per 100,000). Stats from Carabineros "Informes de Estadisticas Delictuales." Those numbers would tend to justify the defence-in-depth seen in urban dwellings as well as the perceived need to be cautious and even employ self-defensive means in some areas. Which would bring us back to the original poster's concerns.

It's interesting to note that while the Stgo metro region (RM) is still above the national average in serious crime rates, there are five regions with higher rates now.

Or you could ask the audience, for which the sampling would be statistically insignificant.

Which statistic material are you using?
In the statistics i can find online, Chiles crimerate is pretty similar to many western countries.

Thomas wrote:Which statistic material are you using?
In the statistics i can find online, Chiles crimerate is pretty similar to many western countries.

CL Ministry of the Interior data, and Adimark-Paz Ciudadana encuestas. Or you can take the Lonely Planet propaganda.

Examples:

Sistema Nacional de Información Delictual

- - Estadísticas de denuncias/detenciones policiales
-- Victimización e inseguridad - Encuesta Nacional urbana de Seguridad Ciudadana - ENUSC .


Título: Balance de la delincuencia 2010
Autor :Fundación Paz Ciudadana
Fecha: 06-05-2011


Título: Índice Paz Ciudadana-Adimark, abril-junio 2011
Autores: Fundación Paz Ciudadana Adimark GfK
Fecha: 19-07-2011
Resumen: Encuesta de victimización realizada en forma telefónica a 4.040 personas mayores de 18 años que residen en hogares con teléfono en 25 comunas de la Región Metropolitana y 16 de otras regiones, realizada entre el 15 de abril y el 8 de junio de 2011.

Título: La gestión de la seguridad pública: lecciones y tareas para el éxito
Autor : Patricio Tudela
Fecha : 07-01-2011
Resumen: Ponencia presentada en el seminario internacional “Seguridad pública: un desafío político en América Latina”, organizado por Fundación Konrad Adenauer y Fundación Libertad y Ciudadanía, Salvador, Bahía, Brasil, 26 de marzo de 2010.

Título: Índice Paz Ciudadana - Adimark Gfk: Series de datos para comunas del país
Autor : Fundación Paz Ciudadana
Fecha: 10-06-2011
Resumen: Documento que incluye la serie de datos de las principales variables que el Índice Paz Ciudadana – Adimark Gfk ha medido en la última década, los cuales permiten conocer cómo ha evolucionado la situación en las 41 comunas que considera la muestra.

patagoniax wrote:

Thomas wrote:Which statistic material are you using?
In the statistics i can find online, Chiles crimerate is pretty similar to many western countries.

CL Ministry of the Interior data, and Adimark-Paz Ciudadana encuestas. Or you can take the Lonely Planet propaganda.

Examples:

Sistema Nacional de Información Delictual..........


.

To compare rates it would be better with international data which included other countries....

Thomas wrote:

To compare rates it would be better with international data which included other countries....

Potentially, but the construction of categories collected by Carabineros, Ministerio del Interior, and the Adimark/Paz Ciudadana assessments often doesn't match the methods used in other countries. So any comparisons need to be done in light of those differences. The more you attempt to compare unequally obtained and determined outcomes, the less reliable may be the attempts to reach meaningful conclusions. Hence the recommendation to first understand the in-country studies and results.

As I have told countless people who wish to move to Chile to find their faultless white-robed Valhalla: there is a fundamental human need to which most are heir, to hope for and believe in something infinitely kinder far away from one's familiar and quotidian woes. Yet the history of mankind is extraordinarily rich in the selective blindness of hopeful emigrants, in huckster misrepresentation about how green is the grass on the other side, and the seductive whispers of how cheap and easy and worry-free life will be in that far-away place.