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by **Atlantis** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:07 pm

Hi All
Sorry for the delay, but the Dieciocho....you know... :oops:

So we arrived on the 13th and we got in the line for the "reciprocity fee". The clerk looked at my aussie passport and said "you know? I think you don't have to pay this fee because you were born in Santiago, so why don't you try and see what happens". Literally. We got to the immigration official and she said : if you are a Chilean, you must enter with a Chilean passport. I told her that I wanted to enter with an Aus passport and that I have always done the same. She replied that there was a new "normativa" as from July (totally ignoring me when I asked if I could see that paper), that had changed everything and that If I had not renounced my Chilean nationality, that I had to enter and leave on a Chilean passport. She then asked for my full maiden name in Chile and after a few minutes of playing around with the network, she leaves and goes to talk to another "official" in another booth. Then she disappears behind some door on the other side of the building for another 20 minutes. She finally comes back and says that I don't even EXIST in the Chilean system so that I can just go ahead on my aussie passport but that I have to go back and pay the fee. :roll:

She was graceful enough to allow us to come back to her without standing in line again.

So, like most things in Chile, you never know....NOBODY knows actually. It depends on their moods, the new moon, menopause (male AND female), the tsunami, the 1973 coup....whatever! Keep your fingers crossed. (coffee, coffee, I'm desperate for coffee).

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by **Gloria** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:33 pm

Atlantis wrote:Hi All
Sorry for the delay, but the Dieciocho....you know...
So we arrived on the 13th and we got in the line for the "reciprocity fee". The clerk looked at my aussie passport and said "you know? I think you don't have to pay this fee because you were born in Santiago, so why don't you try and see what happens". Literally. We got to the immigration official and she said : if you are a Chilean, you must enter with a Chilean passport. I told her that I wanted to enter with an Aus passport and that I have always done the same. She replied that there was a new "normativa" as from July (totally ignoring me when I asked if I could see that paper), that had changed everything and that If I had not renounced my Chilean nationality, that I had to enter and leave on a Chilean passport. She then asked for my full maiden name in Chile and after a few minutes of playing around with the network, she leaves and goes to talk to another "official" in another booth. Then she disappears behind some door on the other side of the building for another 20 minutes. She finally comes back and says that I don't even EXIST in the Chilean system so that I can just go ahead on my aussie passport but that I have to go back and pay the fee. She was graceful enough to allow us to come back to her without standing in line again.

So, like most things in Chile, you never know....NOBODY knows actually. It depends on their moods, the new moon, menopause (male AND female), the tsunami, the 1973 coup....whatever! Keep your fingers crossed. (coffee, coffee, I'm desperate for coffee).

Dear Countryman: That's only the beginning!!! WTF!!!

A

by **dmwbmw2** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:11 pm

They are really being difficult these days.

A month ago the guy in front of me in the line with a USA passport was denied exit because he was a resident and didn't have his carnet with him.

He wasn't sure where it was so they said he had to wait for Monday and get the replacement paper.

Then they wouldn't let my wife out with our daughter because she didn't have a long form Canadian birth certificate which noted us as her parents. She had only the short form which has gotten her in and out about 20 times over the last 14 years.

We did have a notarized permission and we were both together at the int'l police even though I wasn't traveling.

Actually she has a notarized form that allows her to travel with just me, just my wife or all alone but they didn't go for any of it.

They said from now on she doesn't get out at all without the long form.

by **Luis Pizarro** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:14 pm

Just came back from Chile to USA...When I entered "Chilito" I was asked by the immigration officer if I had Chilean I.D., I told this gentleman that I did not have any. He said that "for now" I was not going to have any problems entering or leaving the country, because of a certain law that has not been passed yet. This particular law is supposed to be in effect on Jan 2012. Apparently after this date we have to show some chilean I.D ( I am USA citizen, but born in Chile). Not clear if it is a passport or just "carnet de identidad" (Identity card).

by **andrechile** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:27 pm

i was told my son (chilean and austrian) will NOT be able to leave chile without a chilean passport. as far as i understood in front of chilean law my son is chilean and NOT austrian. we had no chilean passport for him and needed to leave the country with him abruptly and the guy from the embassy said we might have difficulties without a chilean passport. this call was in november. i had to leave him and my wife home

as needed to leave fast.

by **Donnybrook** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:18 pm

We went through this in Perú where DS was born. For Perú he was a Peruvian born citizen. Outside of Perú he had 2 other nationalities and was either on one of our passports when he was little or had his own passport (just one of his nationalities - both EU so no point being greedy). To leave and enter Perú he had to have a Peruvian passport, which was then put away until we returned. I believe the same applies to leaving and re-entering the USA if you are a US citizen even if you have another nationality. You can use the other one outside wherever you want. A lot of tourists avoid the reciprocity fee visiting Chile that way. I should mention that DS has successfully entered and left Perú 4 times in ensuing years on his EU passport without a problem. He had a chance to renounce his Peruvian citizenship when he turned 17 but didn't. Either they didn't notice his birthplace when he entered on the EU passport, thought he had renounced his Peruvian citizenship or didn't care. Not sure.

As for the carnet/cedula. Yes, you have to have it. But, unless this has changed in the last couple of years (yes, I know), you can travel with the receipt to show you have applied for a renewal. Not sure if you can if it is your first application.

Anecdote. I was once on the small bus from Pucón to San Martin de los Andes. They always collect your ID/passport on the bus to check it is in order as they don't want you dumped at the border or the whole busload have to take you back to where you started. One old lady had been living in Neuquen for years and her ID was years out of date. There was much crying and lamentations as they told her she would have to get off the bus on the outskirts of Pucón. Someone suggested that we could go to the registro civil, she could apply and then use the receipt to travel. Someone could pick up the actual document for her later. A poll of the passengers was taken to see if we were all in agreement at the delay. Unanimous but I needed to be at a funeral in San Martin in the afternoon. No problem, we'll make it the driver promised. So off we went, waited for her outside, she came out waving her slip of paper, applause and off we went. We spent a long time at customs but the driver assured me he would get me to the funeral. We tore into San Martin, avoided the bus station completely, screeched to a halt in front of the church and in I ran - not before much waving back and forth between myself and the other passengers. Did I mention that the bus was bright yellow with red logo? Talk about an entrance.

by **tonyakaserg** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:36 pm

Australian citizens of Chilean origin should be aware that Chilean legislation may deem them to be Chilean citizens, even in cases where they may have taken steps to renounce Chilean citizenship. In such cases, the Chilean authorities may require that dual nationals enter and depart Chile using Chilean passports. Australians of Chilean origin should contact their nearest Chilean embassy or consulate before travelling to Chile to confirm their citizenship status and the latest entry and exit requirements. Chilean entry and exit requirements for dual nationals may change without notice.

from http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/chile

by **patagoniax** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:39 pm

tonyakaserg wrote:
Chilean entry and exit requirements for dual nationals may change without notice.

Chilean entry and exit requirements for dual nationals may change without notice... and may or may not be communicated uniformly, correctly, and in a timely manner to the officials actually controlling the frontiers.

by **FrankPintor** » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:58 pm

andrechile wrote:i was told my son (chilean and austrian) will NOT be able to leave chile without a chilean passport. as far as i understood in front of chilean law my son is chilean and NOT austrian. we had no chilean passport for him and needed to leave the country with him abruptly and the guy from the embassy said we might have difficulties without a chilean passport. this call was in november. i had to leave him and my wife home as needed to leave fast.

Yes, this might be relevant to couples with foreign-born children who naturalize their children in Chile: my son entered Chile on his Irish passport, stayed for about a year and in that time got a Chilean RUN, birth cert, and so on. He was then due to leave, and we assumed he could do so on his Irish passport, having entered Chile on that but no, he had to get a Chilean passport. The problem is that you will only find out about this at the very last step in leaving the country, after collecting your boarding card and heading to the security check at SCL. Asking in advance is not a solution (we did...), because pretty much everyone has a different answer. Be advised, having minors traveling out of Chile is not simple.

by **Luis Pizarro** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:35 pm

Apparently some senators are working to change this situation (having to show Chilean I.D.) if you have dual citizenship.

by **Tiger.Peony** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:15 am

I went in last April as a Canadian and they asked me where my Chilean passport was, I said I didn't have one. They asked me how long I was going to stay and I said 3 weeks. So after reading all your entries I went to the Consulate yesterday to renew my Chilean passport and Carnet and the $%^%$^ customs guys wiped me off the system last April. They cleaned my record for entering as a Canadian so I lost my Chilean nationality! wth..so now when I go back I have to go and apply for a new Carnet and passport and go through all the hassles I went through many years ago when I got them in the first place, just so I can exit Chile.. haha

by **betamax** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:49 am

Hello,

anybody know if there is any updates on this?

I just want to visit for 2 or 3 weeks by myself, and it's unlikely after 42 years away, I'd go back there to live. I was born there from chilean parents, but left at 7. Getting a RUN and chilean passport is overkill, and the consulate tell me I'm not on their computer system.

I just want to go there for holidays. What are my chances of getting in and out on my Australian Passport?

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