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Kel wrote:If you want a good reason to leave the beautiful NorthWestern USA for beautiful Chile, Try this on:

Physician Janette Sherman MD and epidemiologist Joseph Mangano published an essay shedding light on the 35 per cent spike in infant mortality in northwest US cities that occurred after the Fukushima meltdown, and may well be the result of fallout from the stricken nuclear plant!!

The eight cities included in the report are San Jose, Berkeley, San Francisco, Sacramento, Santa Cruz, Portland, Seattle, and Boise, and the time frame of the report included the ten weeks immediately following the disaster.



http://counterpunch.org/sherman06102011.html

patagoniax wrote: What is worse, they are scaring a lot of people with their claims, for no reason at all.

Kel wrote:If you want a good reason to leave the beautiful NorthWestern USA for beautiful Chile, Try this on:

Physician Janette Sherman MD and epidemiologist Joseph Mangano published an essay shedding light on the 35 per cent spike in infant mortality in northwest US cities that occurred after the Fukushima meltdown, and may well be the result of fallout from the stricken nuclear plant!!

The eight cities included in the report are San Jose, Berkeley, San Francisco, Sacramento, Santa Cruz, Portland, Seattle, and Boise, and the time frame of the report included the ten weeks immediately following the disaster.

http://counterpunch.org/sherman06102011.html

"Officially," Oswald acted alone. "Officially," the enemy sank the Lusitania...

JHyre wrote:A healthy mistrust of officialdom is ever warranted

PS: You forgot to add the Pearl Harbor conspiracy..

In February of 1941, FDR proposed sacrificing 6 cruisers and 2 carriers at Manila to get the United States into World War II. Navy Chief Stark objected stating: "I have previously opposed this and you have concurred as to its lack of wisdom. Particularly do I recall your remark in a previous conference when Mr. Hull suggested (more forces to Manila) and the question arose as to getting them out and your 100% reply, from my standpoint, was that you might not mind losing one or two cruisers, but that you did not want to take a chance on losing 5 or 6." (Charles Beard PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT AND THE COMING OF WAR 1941, p 424) Most Americans do not realize that FDR was caught trying to manipulate the US into war with Japan. In June of 1941, Advisor Harold Ickes wrote FDR a memo the day after Germany invaded the Soviet Union, "There might develop from the embargoing of oil to Japan such a situation as would make it not only possible but easy to get into this war in an effective way. And if we should thus indirectly be brought in, we would avoid the criticism that we had gone in as an ally of communistic Russia." FDR was pleased with Admiral Richmond Turner's report read July 22: "It is generally believed that shutting off the American supply of petroleum will lead promptly to the invasion of Netherland East Indies...it seems certain she would also include military action against the Philippine Islands, which would immediately involve us in a Pacific war." On July 24 FDR told the Volunteer Participation Committee, "If we had cut off the oil off, they probably would have gone down to the Dutch East Indies a year ago, and you would have had war." The next day FDR froze all Japanese assets in US cutting off their main supply of oil and forcing them into war with the US. Intelligence information was withheld from Hawaii from this point forward.

On Sunday morning, December 7, 1941, Americans are told that the Japanese launched a sneak attack at Pearl Harbor that decimated the U.S. Pacific Fleet and forced the United States to enter WWII. That’s what most of us were taught as school children… At the very bottom of this article, we have added the complete list of ALL warnings that Pearl Harbor would be attacked so that readers can get the full scope of just how much information was gathered about the attack in advance, since it seems to be popular among skeptics to claim that only a "few" warning were sent. In truth, Pearl Harbor was built specifically for Pacific monitoring of naval and air movements by enemies of the United States during a major World War. Are we to believe that the fundamental purpose this base was built in the Pacific for failed to detect a massive Japanese fleet which took an extremely long time to travel to Hawaii to begin with? In 1941 a Rockefeller front organization, the Institute for Pacific Relations (IPR) gave large sums to its Japanese counterpart in Tokyo. The money was then funneled to a member of the imperial family by Richard Sorge, a Russian master-spy, for the purposes of inducing Japan to attack the United States at Pearl Harbor. Again, Tavistock was the originator of all of IPR's publications. The Institute of Pacific Relations (IPR) was established in 1925 to provide a forum for discussion of Asian problems and relations between Asia and the West. To promote greater knowledge of the Far East, the IPR established a large research program, which was supported financially by grants from the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation, and other major corporations. While the IPR leadership maintained it was a nonpartisan body, others, including some former members, accused it of supporting the Communist line with respect to its analysis of political developments in the Far East.

Many establishment historians like to point out that there was no way America could have foreseen the attack. In 1932, during the Grand Joint Army-Navy Exercises, 152 aircraft carrier planes caught the defenders of Pearl Harbor completely by surprise and military strategies were altered to prepare for such an event, if it were to ever take place as it did years later, so why were they not prepared when they supposedly were supposed to have been? Dušan "Duško" Popov was a double agent working for MI5 during World War II under the cryptonym Tricycle. In 1941, Popov was dispatched to the United States by the Abwehr to establish a new German network. He was given ample funds and an intelligence questionnaire, a list of intelligence targets. This questionnaire was later published as an appendix to J.C. Masterman's book The Double Cross System. Of the three typewritten pages of the questionnaire, one entire page was devoted to highly detailed questions about U.S. defenses at Pearl Harbor on the Hawaiian island of Oahu. He made contact with the FBI and explained what he had been asked to do. During a televised interview, Dusko Popov related having informed the FBI on August 12, 1941 of the impending attack on Pearl Harbor. So why did the FBI fail to tell the President? Or did they? In 1938, Admiral Ernst King led a carrier-born airstrike from the USS Saratoga successfully against Pearl Harbor in yet another exercise. To make matters worse, in 1940, FDR ordered the fleet transferred from the West Coast to its exposed position in Hawaii and ordered the fleet remain stationed at Pearl Harbor over complaints by its commander Admiral Richardson that there was inadequate protection from air attack and no protection from torpedo attack. Richardson felt so strongly that he twice disobeyed orders to berth his fleet there and he raised the issue personally with FDR in October and he was soon after replaced. His successor, Admiral Kimmel, also brought up the same issues with FDR in June 1941. On Oct 7th, 1940, navy IQ analyst McCollum wrote an 8 point memo on how to force Japan into war with US. Beginning the next day FDR began to put them into effect and all 8 were eventually accomplished. The McCollum memo outline that the United States first make an arrangement with Britain for the use of British bases in the Pacific, particularly Singapore. Then the US would make an arrangement with Holland for the use of base facilities and acquisition of supplies in the Dutch East Indies. This was followed by more provocation for war by giving all possible aid to the Chinese government of Chiang-Kai-Shek. The memo then stated that a show of force would create a defensive mindset in Japan against American show of force so it would be best to send a division of long range heavy cruisers to the Orient, Philippines, or Singapore and send two divisions of submarines to the Orient. The memo urged that the US military keep the main strength of the U.S. fleet now in the Pacific in the vicinity of the Hawaiian Islands. The memo then concluded by saying the Japanese would have no choice but to attack if the US insisted that the Dutch refuse to grant Japanese demands for undue economic concessions, particularly oil and of course when the United States placed a complete embargo on all U.S. trade with Japan, in collaboration with a similar embargo imposed by the British Empire, this ensured that American forces in the Pacific were now in danger of being attacked, something FDR seemed to have initiated with this 8 point memo. On January 27, 1941, Joseph C. Grew, the U.S. ambassador to Japan, wired Washington that he’d learned of the surprise attack Japan was preparing for Pearl Harbor. U.S. intelligence, which had broken every major Japanese code, also deciphered many Japanese dispatches. In May, Japanese Adm. Nomura warned his superiors that Americans were decoding his dispatches. However, nobody in Tokyo thought the Japanese codes could be broken, and the transmissions continued. On September 24, a dispatch from Japanese naval intelligence to Japan’s consul general in Honolulu was deciphered. The transmission was a request for a grid of exact locations of ships in Pearl Harbor. Surprisingly, Washington chose not to share this information with the officers at Pearl Harbor. Then, on November 26, the main body of the Japanese strike force—consisting of six aircraft carriers, two battleships, three cruisers, nine destroyers, eight tankers, 23 fleet submarines, and five midget submarines—departed Japan for Hawaii. Despite the myth that the strike force maintained strict radio silence, U.S. Naval intelligence intercepted and translated many dispatches. And, there was no shortage of dispatches: Tokyo sent over 1000 transmissions to the attack fleet before it reached Hawaii. Some of these dispatches, in particular this message from Admiral Yamamoto, left no doubt that Pearl Harbor was the target of a Japanese attack: The task force, keeping its movement strictly secret and maintaining close guard against submarines and aircraft, shall advance into Hawaiian waters, and upon the very opening of hostilities shall attack the main force of the United States fleet and deal it a mortal blow. The first air raid is planned for the dawn of x-day. Exact date to be given by later order. Even on the night before the attack, U.S. intelligence decoded a message pointing to Sunday morning as a deadline for some kind of Japanese action. The message was delivered to the Washington high command more than 4 hours before the attack on Pearl Harbor. But, as many messages before, it was withheld from the Pearl Harbor commanders. In addition to the US-decoded radio transmissions from the attack fleet, there were many specific warnings delivered to Roosevelt via non-American sources: a Yugoslav double agent named Dusko Popov, a dispatch decoded by the Dutch Army, a message from Kilsoo Haan of the Sino-Korean People’s League. Despite repeated denials, it’s clear the Roosevelt administration knew full well of the “sneak” attack long before it arrived. The United States was emotionally and physically exhausted from the 1st World War and was playing the role of isolationalist to the War in Europe. There was no way any support for war would be obtained unless otherwise given through some kind of attack. In 1979 the NSA released 2,413 JN-25 orders of the 26,581 intercepted by US between Sept 1 and Dec 4, 1941. The NSA says "We know now that they contained important details concerning the existence, organization, objective, and even the whereabouts of the Pearl Harbor Strike Force." (Parker p 21) Of the over thousand radio messages sent by Tokyo to the attack fleet, only 20 are in the National Archives. All messages to the attack fleet were sent several times, at least one message was sent every odd hour of the day and each had a special serial number. Starting in early November 1941 when the attack fleet assembled and started receiving radio messages, OP-20-G stayed open 24 hours a day and the "First Team" of codebreakers worked on JN-25. In November and early December 1941, OP-20-G spent 85 percent of its effort reading Japanese Navy traffic, 12 percent on Japanese diplomatic traffic and 3 percent on German naval codes. FDR was personally briefed twice a day on JN-25 traffic by his aide, Captain John Beardell, and demanded to see the original raw messages in English. The US Government refuses to identify or declassify any pre-Dec 7, 1941 decrypts of JN-25 on the basis of national security, a half-century after the war.

Kel wrote: essay shedding light on the 35 per cent spike in infant mortality in northwest US cities that occurred after the Fukushima meltdown,

JHyre wrote:J/G,

Such appalling agreement must stop - and doubtless it shall, given our respective proclivities. My thoughts on the totally irrelevant subject matter appear below, feel free to skip.

As to Pearl Harbor, etc: In the larger picture, I think FDR wanted us in the war, and knew we'd eventually get involved. He did everything possible to provoke it: Lend-Lease, de-facto war in the Atlantic against U-Boats, choking off Japan's access to strategic materials. But the first overt blow had to come from the Axis. Pearl Harbor and Germany declaring war a few days later (latter was a big mistake and not required by Axis treaty BTW) did that.

But did FDR et al expect the PH attack itself, much less commit treason and enable it? No. The facts do not indicate so. And frankly, the racism of the time (which was mutual, as the Japanese were, and to a degree still are, very confident in their own superiority) precluded such a thought. I think Pacific Fleet and FDR were genuinely caught with their pants down and could not believe that the "little yellow buck-toothed guys with coke-bottle glasses" could pull it off. They obviously weren't thinking of what happened at Tsushima in 1905. Oops.

John Hyre

Red wrote:the grunt on the ground saw the enemy, at first, as a superman. The Marines and GIs in the beginning of the war had to be constantly reminded that they were fighting mere mortals.