Chile Forum

My son, who will soon be moving to Chile with his family, has asked me to find out if you can buy a Honda 3000is generator in Chile. I have been looking all morning and haven't found anything, so I thought I would ask here if anyone knows if it is even findeable (is that a word?) here in Chile. He can bring it in from Canada but would rather see if it's possible to buy it in Chile. Or if not, does anyone know of something comparable?

Anyone?? Patagoniax?

Cheers

http://www.baper.net/honda/generadores/ ... dores.html

also,

http://www.dabed.com/

and

http://www.honda.cl/fuerza/generadores-honda-eu-20.html

The most common generator in chile is honda, i was looking at these for work for our small data center.... (not this exact model, but this brand)

these guys are in chile....

Learn to google in spanish, you need to say

Honda Generadores Santiago Chile

did you look on Honda.cl? I see some gens on there but didnt see the 3000. They have a 5000 and 6500 model and will throw in a grinder along with it.

I was going to suggest Honda.cl as well but you guys are too good and too fast.... My cousin bought one last year in Colina and from what I remember the prices were good. I can't see that for the hassle, duties (would have paid duies when it came into Canada and probably again going into Chile) it is worth buying in Canada. Just my opinion though. Please confirm with someone living in Chile.

Also to note is the fact that the Cdn generator will output 120v as opposed to 220v/50hz that one bought in Chile will.

I just bought a Kipor KGE2500x at sodimac last week. It cost around 317,000 pesos. So far, so good. I am still breaking it in. Very important on a new generator to run the motor on light and slowly increasing loads until the motor is broken in, and that the oil gets changed a few times.

It is clearly marked in English that it is 115/230 v, and 50/60hz but the output is 220v 50hz. I have not had time to investigate how to convert it to 110v 60hz, or 220v 60 hz. It might just be switch or simple rewire somewhere inside, or perhaps a panel replacement. I can not believe they do anything super special to modify them for different countries.

I almost bought one in the States, but it was really the question over the 220v 50hz issue.

We have had some people import generators, have problems, and then not be able to get the parts or find anyone that could fix them. You need to make sure it is serviced / sold in Chile.

Yea, I know a year after the earthquake and 3 years of talking about, I finally got around to buying one. After moving more south though this year, I discovered that the incompetence of the local electric company saesa has left me without electricity more hours this year than the earthquake did. Being in the dark really does not bother me. I finally managed to justify the expense to myself because I am building on a couple properties where hooking up electricity at this point was silly expensive to run a few tools, then have to pay the bill all year (we are charged for the water pump on our electric bill, also). Easily paid for the generator and gas to run it.

The frequency will be variable by engine rpm. Reducing RPM to get to 50hz would also lower voltage a bit...As far as output voltage, here is my probably really wrong answer based on 1st year electrical engineering classes (hated same).... I would think that the 120/240 60 hz generator would have two coils in series with the midpoint connection being neutral and both in series being 240. But I think some 120V generators have two coils in parallel... PX will know when he shows up I'm sure.

Thanks everyone for the replies! I had seen the sites most of you mentioned this morning on my search. I will tell him to check out your replies and he can make his own decisions since this is not my field at all

Thanks again

Cheers
Linda

PenquistaDeCorazon wrote:The frequency will be variable by engine rpm. Reducing RPM to get to 50hz would also lower voltage a bit...As far as output voltage, here is my probably really wrong answer based on 1st year electrical engineering classes (hated same).... I would think that the 120/240 60 hz generator would have two coils in series with the midpoint connection being neutral and both in series being 240. But I think some 120V generators have two coils in parallel... PX will know when he shows up I'm sure.

Output frequency and voltage, sine wave/frequency stability and related control -- all determined by the electronic voltage control module in the newer Honda inverter type generators. Running at different rpm has no effect on output at 50 or 60 Hz or any other frequency. If you have an AVR type sine-wave control generator (cheaper types of generators) then expect less fuel/output efficiency and perhaps some end-use equipment degradation or damage over time due to overheating or other problems related to suboptimal wave forms. You can clean up some of the wave form problem with a good UPS which you should have anyway if you care for your devices.

patagoniax wrote:

PenquistaDeCorazon wrote:The frequency will be variable by engine rpm. Reducing RPM to get to 50hz would also lower voltage a bit...As far as output voltage, here is my probably really wrong answer based on 1st year electrical engineering classes (hated same).... I would think that the 120/240 60 hz generator would have two coils in series with the midpoint connection being neutral and both in series being 240. But I think some 120V generators have two coils in parallel... PX will know when he shows up I'm sure.

Output frequency and voltage, sine wave/frequency stability and related control -- all determined by the electronic voltage control module in the Honda generators. Running at different rpm has no effect on output at 50 or 60 Hz or any other frequency.

As usual ur jack of all trades knowledge to the rescue.
But just to remove a doubt in my mind..... Said electronic voltage regulator would change current by regulating engine speed, no?

PenquistaDeCorazon wrote:But just to remove a doubt in my mind..... Said electronic voltage regulator would change current by regulating engine speed, no?

I don't know what Honda calls their electronic control module but quick answer is yes to your question, when higher current demand is sensed then generator motor rpm is increased. But whether steady high or low rpm the voltage, wave form, and frequency remain the same, the only change is in the amperage.

Later versions of the Kipor generators that Admin bought supposedly come with their "Series 2 Digital Inverter" but I don't know any of its performance characteristics. They are supposedly AVR types. But in theory they work the same as the earlier Honda generators: alternator produces AC and it is cleaned up via conversion to DC, from DC via inverter to correct pure sine wave form.

Stolen from Honda generator site

Honda manufacturers three types of generators. In addition to generators with a conventional cylindrical alternator, it also produces Cyclo Converter generators incorporating a high-speed multi-pole alternator, and generators with sine wave inverters. The conventional type of generator has a simple structure and is low in cost, while the two newer types feature a dedicated high-speed multi-pole alternator that incorporates an engine flywheel function, achieving high efficiency, super light weight and compact size.The generator which features a sine wave inverter can be used safely with PCs and various telecommunications equipment that is highly sensitive to changes in frequency and voltage, and this had led to the rapid expansion of the market for this type of generator. This market has in fact been created by Honda’s advanced technology, and the high reliability and ease of operation have won widespread support from the people that use them.
1998 saw an introduction of a series of generators that incorporated a super light weight and compact sine wave inverter offering low fuel consumption and low noise, supplementing the existing eco-throttle mechanism that achieves good fuel economy and parallel operation function that enables nearly double the power to be obtained. A series featuring a dual voltage type sine wave inverter, which can be used as both an emergency power source for stores and offices as well as to operate 200V household appliances, was introduced.

I have the Honda EM5000isC1 (with a 120 or 240 inverter) setup to run on bottled gas and it will be connected into the power system of my new place with an automatic start and the bottled gas for the stove and hot water booster. In my experience this extends the life of the gen set and it burns cleaner (and cheaper) and it’s easier than dealing with liquid gas. The gen set was bought and converted in Canada parts are availible in Chile. Stick with Honda, even their little 3000 watt diesel is a nice little unit.

tooo funny

I was just about to post something to this thread, and all the power in Frutillar went out. So my secretary made some calls to seasa to see what was up. Seems they are going to be down today until 4:30 to lower the voltage in the lines.

So, I went home, got my new generator. Now I am happily posting this from my office with the generator running out back. I got the routers, servers, all the computers, and the coffee maker going without a problem.