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pinguin wrote:I think the reason why these anglosaxon producers portrait far away countries that way is very simple:

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Pinquin you are not very well informed, for someone who talks so much and say they are well travelled. Not to sound prejudice but there are not many Anglo-Saxon’s in the movie production business, ask Mel Gibson.

nwdiver wrote:...
Pinquin you are not very well informed, for someone who talks so much and say they are well travelled. Not to sound prejudice but there are not many Anglo-Saxon’s in the movie production business, ask Mel Gibson.

I don't blame Jews, people that I respect very much. I just blame the system of an industry, like the movie business, oriented to increase ignorance on the common people around the world.

How about this one, pinguino.



The advertising for "The Motorcycle Diaries" shows a backdrop of mountains nowhere near any place that the Che and his bud don Alberto ever visited.

Should we rail against this unpardonable falseness? Blame the film maker and the marketing people people for crimes against humanity? Condemn Brazilian film director Walter Salles for his part in this? Shall we take it up with the United Nations?

patagoniax wrote:How about this one, pinguino.



The advertising for "The Motorcycle Diaries" shows a backdrop of mountains nowhere near any place that the Che and his bud don Alberto ever visited.

Should we rail against this unpardonable falseness? Blame the film maker and the marketing people people for crimes against humanity? Condemn Brazilian film director Walter Salles for his part in this? Shall we take it up with the United Nations?

Why we should? At least that movie shown Chileans like they were in the 1960s. It didn't look like a cartoon of Speedy Gonzalez, and it didn't show Chileans as people of the Caribbean at the 16th century

One can forgive small details in ambientation, certainly.

The US constantly requires it's ego stoked, so for that reason it needs to put others down to make itself feel better.

End of story.

As a Chilean myself, I thought this thread would be focused on local movies that don't do justice to the country rather than attacking foreign producers, especially Hollywood.

Chilean movies are often bland, riddled with a "that's what she said" kind of humor, like Que Pena tu Vida which is funny but quite shallow.
Let's also not forget about the movies often directed by resentful leftists, who still want to get into the dictatorship thing, and keep on reminding that social stigma more than what current generations would bother. But yea... a '73 coup movie a year, keeps the swedish fund money near

Still, back on that foreign thing, it sucks when Chile is painted like some banana republic, haven't seen movies like that yet but in a videogame I like, Hitman 4, a Chilean winery was in some sort of Brazilian jungle and the voice actors were mexican. Nice

Mistertk maybe you need to read history a bit or come out of your house once in a while. It is so easy to tell people to just get over it when you maybe were not affected by it. Did you have family who were tortured, dissapeared or assasinated? I highly doubt it. There can be no forgiveness without justice and as long as butchers walk freely through the streets of our country it will be an open wound forever.

As to your ill founded assertion about leftist cinema you should know that the highest rated films to come out of Chile were by leftists. And some of the films that had the highest grosses were by leftists. It must really bother you to know that leftist composers and singers and writers put Chile on the map. Name me a UDI equivelant of a Neruda.... Just one...

Or how about you name me a right wing musical group that had the sales of Los Tres, Illapu, or Los Prisioneros. Or the legacy of a Victor Jara or Vileta Parra? Of course you want us all to forget that they ever existed or that Victor was assassinated.

Yeah you can keep your Huasos Quincheros and Gloria Benavidez..... They are beyond lame.

Well you must be really happy with your new pres who has cut back on the hours of social studies and history taught in schools. Not unlike the times of Pinocho where you could see soldiers burning books on the streets as did the Nazis.

Yvo soy muy caradura... pa vo es fácil decirle a las familias de los asesinados "den vuelta la página", eso no va a pasar nunca y tú no lo entiendes xq no te ha pasado... !NI PERDÓN NI OLVIDO!

PenquistaDeCorazon wrote:As to your ill founded assertion about leftist cinema you should know that the highest rated films to come out of Chile were by leftists.

That is of course because the ones who provide the awards are ..... simply other Leftists.

PenquistaDeCorazon wrote: Not unlike the times of Pinocho where you could see soldiers burning books on the streets as did the Nazis.

And the Cubans and other communists who supported Allende, we might add.

You might do well to remember that extensive book burning by terrorists has not disappeared from Chile. 2006 article:

La facultad de Filosofía y Humanidades de la Universidad de Chile ya no es la misma desde que encapuchados quemaron cerca de mil 200 libros pertenecientes a una de las bibliotecas más modernas que posee esta casa de estudios.

Cerca de 40 enmascarados llegaron a la facultad a eso de las 6 de la tarde del martes y prendieron fogatas para alimentar barricadas en la calle Ignacio Carrera Pinto donde se enfrascaron en una gresca de proporciones con efectivos de Carabineros.

Los guardias del recinto revisaron el lugar y encontraron cientos de panfletos que contenían consignas como "libertad a los presos políticos mapuches" o "justicia para los pueblos originarios". Se descarta que el grupo sea integrado por estudiantes de esa Universidad.
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PenquistaDeCorazon wrote:Yvo soy muy caradura... pa vo es fácil decirle a las familias de los asesinados "den vuelta la página", eso no va a pasar nunca y tú no lo entiendes xq no te ha pasado... !NI PERDÓN NI OLVIDO!

At some point the players on both sides of the controversy will need to acknowledge that each side was wrong on one point or another. For many years in Spain, following a civil war far more significant than the events of the seventies in Chile, nobody was willing to press forward with any meaningful reconciliation. But whining about past events can only go on for so long. In the last ten years or so, Spain has gained a level of cultural maturity in being able to put that history largely behind them, to see that both sides were to blame for their own sets of errors and atrocities. Even Spanish leftists are standing up and saying publicly "we, left and right, were all wrong- we all lost." In some ways my earlier life was more directly affected by the Spanish sentiments than by Chile. After all, I spent some time in one of Franco's notorious underground jail cells.

I fully agree that Chile needs to move on. But in the rest of the world, criminals are tried for their crimes. That goes a long ways to helping the victims move on.

There have been cases in Chile of people getting off the elevator in their building only to encounter their torturer who lives in the same building and was never ever tried. You do not tell someone in that situation that they need to move on.....

Anyways off topic but thanks for the lively and polite discussion Pata.... You are a gentleman and a scholar. Most days anyways....

I just wouldn't make assumptions that easily in such a bitter and fired up way. I don't like Piñera either, te vas por las ramas. Why do you keep everything in the extremes?: "Name an UDI that (does it have to be either UDI or extreme left?)" "Keep your huasos quincheros (all the music you mentioned except Victor Jara sucks in my book, they are all overhyped)".

You are not from my generation, I wasn't raised in any sort of isolation, I was just talking about movies and that I'm tired to see a new one each year, noone is telling anyone to forget about what happened. Bitter much? Sure, if you had someone executed in Estadio Nacional like a friends' grandpa, you'll be like that all your life if there is not justice, but that wasn't the point of my post.

PenquistaDeCorazon wrote:
Anyways off topic but thanks for the lively and polite discussion Pata.... You are a gentleman and a scholar. Most days anyways....

And thank you, for the many opportunities to engage in such exchanges, which may be of some utility or at least amusement to the lurking observers. On most days.

Un saludo desde los confines de la XIIa Región,

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