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Re: New U.S.A. airport screening

Postby PenquistaDeCorazon » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:02 pm

http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/04/11/b ... s-the-tsa/
"ust in time for Easter comes the story of a Kansas clown who dresses up as a bunny and had a hassle with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) over a basket of colorful, confetti-filled eggs.

Valerie Baul, 35, of Roeland Park, Ks., is usually in the business of making people smile as the singing and juggling "Bunny Lady," a role for which she dons a fuzzy pink and green costume with ears.

But she wasn't singing after an encounter with a TSA agent at Philadelphia International Airport, reports Fox 4 Kansas City.

Baul faces charges of harassment after a TSA agent inquired about the basket of eggs, which Baul says had just passed through an airport security X-ray machine.

"She said, 'What are those?' And I said, 'Well, they're eggs filled with confetti. You want to see what's inside? Here you go, you win, let's find out together.' And I put it on her head. And I didn't think anything of it," Baul, who was wearing pink bunny ears at the time, tells the TV outlet.

The TSA agent was not amused to be showered with confetti. Airport police authorities were called and Baul, who is also a community radio DJ in Kansas, says she was handcuffed and ended up being incarcerated at the airport for three hours. The incident occurred Valentine's Day weekend.

The "Bunny Lady" is due in court in Philadelphia in September on a misdemeaner harassment charge."

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Re: New U.S.A. airport screening

Postby Ripsigg » Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:31 am

Here's a video of a 6 year old girl being groped by TSA...and then being told she needed to do a drug test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWExPhyPeZw

It's a very sick video and shows just how far the US government has gone in taking away rights.
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Re: New U.S.A. airport screening

Postby Aedmunds » Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:13 am

It's a very sick video and shows just how far the US government has gone in taking away rights.


That's brutal...
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Re: New U.S.A. airport screening

Postby KJS » Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:23 am

Could the parents of all the children that this has happened to just file a class action or a mass action lawsuit?

Is TSA just showing their understanding of the terms unbiased, does not discriminate on the basis of age, sex, ethnicity....? Hmm, they might also want to consider the term "discretion" and review how many brain cells their workforce has left before assuming the workforce's ability to execute discretion.

Pathetic, TSA, pathetic.
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Re: New U.S.A. airport screening

Postby El pescado » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:56 pm

I´m expecting to return to the States for a family visit with my 4 year old son pretty soon....What can I expect from TSA as far as my kid is concerned? Has anyone recently traveled to the States with kids under the age of 5? Are they patting down every single kid or is it random?
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Re: New U.S.A. airport screening

Postby FrankPintor » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:09 pm

I would say the best place to find information about what to expect is on the Flyertalk Travel Safety and Security forum. Extreme views are often expressed by the contributors, but you will find real examples of what to expect, as well as information about which airport has which kind of scanner. Also, you should be able to form an impression about which airports are traveler-friendly and which are not.

Be aware that if you choose to contribute to that forum, there are indications that it's is being trawled by the TSA and assorted-quasi would-be law-enforcement and intelligence agencies looking for "domestic extremists". Also the act of complaining about any mistreatment you may experience will probably mark you for observation. Personally, I wouldn't fly there anymore.
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Re: New U.S.A. airport screening

Postby El pescado » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:20 pm

To tell you the truth I dont even want to go to some site like that for the fear of being tagged & branded some sort of extremist within the definitions of you -know-who. If I had a choice not to return to the State, believe you me, I would not go. But that is not fair for others in the family(elderly grandparents wanting to see the grandson) who need to spend time together.
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Re: New U.S.A. airport screening

Postby regioncentralX » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:38 pm

Don't need to sign up to read the excellent insight and advice by the respected frequent fliers at FlyerTalk.com. Plus you are coming from a Chilean IP and an account that might not even be in your name.

----Always OPT OUT
----Command (as it is your right) that you want your stuff in the scanner to remain in your line of sight or brought over to you
----Command (as it is your right) that they put on new gloves FROM THE BOX that YOU CAN SEE
----Never raise your voice and do immediately call over a three striper (TSA supervisor) or a suit (TSA TSM (Terminal Securty Manager)) if the front line person steps out of line with a non Weapons/Explosives/Incendiary related question or search. If need be, even call over a real LEO.

Good luck.
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Re: airport advice...?

Postby greg~judy » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:51 pm

an interesting~appropriate addition for this thread...
not sure of the original publication date?
but it's worth repeating~sharing here :idea:

"Doug Casey corners the soul of the customs agent and finds it tiny."
I suspect many, even most, people resent being herded like cattle into lines in order to be interrogated, have their baggage rifled and have their government-issued papers stamped. But, in years of watching my fellow citizens being processed, I find it rare that any have other than an ingratiating smile for the agent.

Clearly, most Americans are whipped dogs, ready and willing to have a cavity search performed on their person if some nothing-nobody in a uniform sends them to a back room.
It’s part of a general process causing Americans to lose whatever self-respect and individuality they might still have-which was the main thing that’s always distinguished them from nationals of other countries, most of whom are inured to acting like sheep.

I suggest you study your body language, and that of others, when next you clear customs. Here are a few practical suggestions. Do these, and you’ll feel better about yourself:

Don’t cringe and supplicate. Stand tall, look the agent straight in the eye and, under no circumstances, smile. Your demeanor should not be, like most, that of a child, afraid to be scolded. It should be that of an objective scientist studying a familiar but unappealing insect. Answer questions curtly, with a single word. Don’t volunteer anything. Don’t make small talk. Don’t make pleasant conversation like all the whipped dogs around you.

If the agent proves inquisitive, ask, in a firm and business-like way, exactly why he’s asking. If you get an unsatisfactory brushoff, ask to see the regulation authorizing them to ask you that specific question. Never lose your temper or cool. Don’t adopt an attitude, or be a hard case; you’re not looking for trouble. You simply want to maintain your space and integrity in a non-aggressive manner, which is quite enough to come out way on top. Never lie, or say anything from which you’ll have to backpedal. You don’t want to give them an opening to go on the offensive. It’s imperative to maintain the high moral and psychological ground.

If you have a problem with the agent’s attitude, ask to see his supervisor. In dealing with the supervisor be businesslike, rational, and a concerned citizen, interested in seeing that everything is done in a 100% correct, proper, and by-the-book fashion. If you’re not treated in a correct and proper manner, ask for the names and numbers of those involved, write them down, and then write a letter to their superiors. You won’t, incidentally, get their names. But I promise you’ll ruin their day. If the agent says “Thank you,” your response should be neither “Thank you” nor “You’re welcome,” unless you’d also thank a mugger.

You’ve just had your privacy violated, and it could have turned into a nightmare. One time when an agent thanked me, I simply looked at him and walked off. He had the impertinence to call after me, saying “I said, thank you.” I looked back at him, and said “I heard you the first time.”

I’ve had many fascinating interchanges with these people over the years, and practice makes perfect. If everyone treated these bedbugs with the disdain they deserve, it would quickly cave in their fragile personas and they’d have to go out and find productive employment. The reason I suggest you deal with them as I’ve described, however, is for your own benefit, and that of society, not for that of the agent.

Only once have I encountered an agent who seemed like he might be a decent human being. On that occasion, I said, with true interest and concern: “You know, you seem like a decent guy.
What are you doing here?” His response was a look of unhappy resignation, and he said “I don’t know. I’ve really got to get out of this game.”
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everything will have to change."

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Re: airport advice...?

Postby GJJIM » Thu Jul 21, 2011 12:43 pm

greg~judy wrote:an interesting~appropriate addition for this thread...
not sure of the original publication date?
but it's worth repeating~sharing here :idea:

"Doug Casey corners the soul of the customs agent and finds it tiny."


I've never had a bad experience with a U.S. customs agent. Most do their job and aren't the least bit obnoxious about it. The TSA is another story, and they seem to have more than their fair share of people who come to work with a chip on their shoulder or the need for a power-trip fix. I do not converse with them or pay any heed to disrespectful demands. So far this seems to work as the rude TSA guy/gal typically changes demeanor when they realize a traveler is not going to take their bullying or loud-mouthed behavior. They don't want a supervisor summoned, so it's not difficult to call their bluff with simple eye-to-eye contact.

The worst thing you can do in any TSA situation is to raise your voice or throw something. This will immediately bring over a LEO and earn you a minimum 30-minute "time out" penalty.
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Re: New U.S.A. airport screening

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:57 pm

For CBP, I follow general rules to decrease the likelihood of encountering assholishness:

—Avoid MIA and other bad 'tude airports for US entry
—If you can time it or have a choice when walking up to them, go for the older, wiser, gray-haired employee and not the young whipersnapper just out of law enforcement training trying to make their mark on the world
—Always answer in the most direct manner with the least amount of words possible
—If they ask a really stoopid question, just point to your passport at Immigrations or your properly filled out customs form at Customs
—You can ask for a supervisor if needed who most likely will be more "customer" :roll: service oriented than the frontline guy or gal
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Re: New U.S.A. airport screening

Postby greg~judy » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:24 am

Ripsigg wrote:I was driving down the road and on the sign of the local phone company was something to the effect of "Thanks to all of the men and women defending our freedom in the Armed Forces"

It got me to thinking about the war against terror. My personal freedom has been curtailed by the war on terror. I have less freedom now than I did 10 years ago. Not because of the terrorists, but directly by the actions of the US government. I am now openly wondering if soliders are defending our freedoms or if they are taking it away.


g~j just found a very good commentary to your (old) question, big~guy!
...try this on for size (even though it won't fit)
Freedoms I Wish the Military Were Defending
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29049.htm

which lists quite a few very good examples...
The freedom to fly without being sexually violated.
The freedom to purchase a gun without a waiting period.
The freedom to grow, sell, and smoke marijuana.
The freedom to sell goods and services for whatever amount a buyer is willing to pay.
The freedom to make more than six withdrawals from one’s savings account each month.
The freedom to drink alcohol as a legal, voting adult under twenty-one years of age.
The freedom to purchase Sudafed over the counter.
The freedom to gamble without government approval.
The freedom to deposit more than $10,000 in a bank account without government scrutiny.
The freedom to not be stopped at a checkpoint and have one’s car searched without a warrant.
The freedom to sell any good or offer any service on Craigslist.
The freedom to fill in a "wetland" on one’s own property.
The freedom to cut someone’s hair for money without a license.
The freedom to home-brew over 100 gallons of beer per year.
The freedom to advertise tobacco products on television.
The freedom to smoke Cuban cigars.
The freedom to not wear a seatbelt.
The freedom to be secure in our persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures.
The freedom to keep the fruits of one’s labor.
The freedom of an employer and an employee to negotiate for any wage.
The freedom to discriminate against anyone for any reason.
The freedom to videotape the police in public.
The freedom of businesses to hire and fire whomever they choose.
The freedom to not be brutalized by the police.
The freedom to not be arrested for victimless crimes.
The freedom to sell raw milk.
The freedom to not have one’s child subject to unnecessary vaccinations.
The freedom to not have one’s child unjustly taken by Child Protective Services.
The freedom to not be subject to the Patriot Act.
The freedom for kids to set up neighborhood lemonade stands.
The freedom to not have every facet of business and society regulated.
The freedom to stay in one’s home during a hurricane.
The freedom to not have our e-mail and phone conversations monitored.
The freedom to travel to and trade with any country.
The freedom to be left alone.

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