Chile Forum

araucaniax wrote:

Ripsigg wrote:You get a temporary ID(cedula) that you use while waiting for your papers to be processed.

Kindly post a scan of a "temporary ID(cedula) that you use while waiting for your papers to be processed" and I will eat my pants.

-A

Its a card from sii with your temporary rut printed on it... in no way is it an ID ?? am i correct?

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araucaniax wrote:I think that you guys are now bringing even more confusion to this topic. The topic that Rune, may peace be upon him, tried previously to make rather accurate. Firstly, you mix the words "temporary", "ID", and "cedula" together, in addition to the usage of the term "en tramite" (without specifying the exact context). Now, we have the words "SII", "temporary rut", "temporary rut printed on the SII RUT card", and again the word "ID". To clarify the usage of all these terms would require rather long and detailed post, including references to the SII website, and the immigration web site. I am not inclined to post any further, sorry.

-A

ha hahaha there are many many many posts on this forum confusing everyone, most of those posts are people trying to de confuse the situtation, and your right probably making it worse,

anyway, i was just wondering if that was what he was confused about!,

I had a lawyer do all my dirty work for my visa, paper works, the lot, got told to be at certain places at certain times and it was all done never had a problem, and that is my recommendation, contract someone to do it for you!! its dirt cheap

Your temporary SII rut card issued by the Chilean IRS is in no way, shape, or form associated with your residency or immigration status, and conveys no rights to do anything other than pay your tax (e.g. buying a car or house).

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The OP, who had a Jordanian nationality, and who needed to apply for the tourist visa at the Chilean embassy before leaving, noticed that in the visa application form there was a section to sign: "and promise, during my stay in Chile NOT to apply for a change of my status of tourist". Even more, on an old tourist visa stamped in their passport it was written "NO ES POSIBLE SU CAMBIO A VISA RESIDENTE". The OP then asked if they could, despite that stamp, once they are in Chile, ask to change their tourist visa to another category.

The answer was given, that they could either try to go ahead and inquire at the immigration (despite the restrictive stamp mentioned), or try to exit and re-enter Chile, thus having requested a fresh Chilean visa in a third country (that would not have such restrictive stamp). It was further noted in the answer, that Argentina supposedly would issue unrestricted Chilean visa, while Peru would supposedly issue restricted Chilean visa. Venezuela was also considered by the OP as a third country, but they (the OP) were not sure if they could apply at a Chilean consulate there without being resident in Venezuela.

The OP noted that, as a Jordanian, an authorization from the Ministry of Interior of Argentina would be needed to them to request a tourist visa for Argentina, hence it could be difficult to them.

The answer was given, that in the South of Chile the process of applying for a tourist visa for Argentina should go way better than in Santiago and Valparaiso Argentinean consulates. It was further said in the answer, that not only Argentina supposedly would issue unrestricted Chilean visa, but the multiple entry visa (that is 3 months maximum for each entry, and that is valid for 3 months) must be requested. It was even further explained in the answer, that exiting Chile, and re-entering on the 90th day of the visa validity period would allow for subsequent fresh tourist card, extensible up to 180 days, thus giving the OP the possibility of 270 day of residing in Chile as a tourist. It was further noted in the answer, that delays with issuing Chilean visa in Argentina are possible, due to the necessity of sending a request to the Chilean Foreign Ministry (as it needed for Jordanians). It was added, that Argentinean visa was extensible in Argentina (should the processing of the Chilean one take rather long time).

The OP, who had a Jordanian nationality, then asked if they could extend their tourist visa for Chile for USD100 for 3 months and if that was applicable to all nationalities, or only to those who don't require a visa application before leaving their country.

The answer was given, that in the rules, that are stated clearly on the Chilean immigration website, no discrimination was noted with respect to any nationality, and that at the Chilean immigration they generally did follow these rules. It was further noted in the answer, that the OP had to read the FAQ (in English) on the Chilean immigration website.

This message is only a quick summary of the topic. Such cases, where the OP has a "bad" nationality, are quite rare (if not this one is the only case) here on the forum. Though some unnecessary details and many side notes were removed from the topic -- this summary must be accurate, and can possibly serve as a rough guide for those interested. At least, that was our hope while posting this message.

And there is the One, Who knows better.

May you always prosper.

Yamantako

well, I have to say there is a reason why it is rare. I block almost all the middle east, Asia, some of eastern EU from even connecting to our servers at the firewall level, with a couple of exceptions where I have active clients in those countries or the ISP have proven not to be a problem.

There is a bunch of reasons i do this, and it is nothing in particular against any individual or any particular nationality. Just from an Internet point of view the ISPs in those countries have proven to be bad neighbors for us on the internet.

Mostly it is a waist of resources. 98% of all spam we receive come from well known list of countries (india, russia, and so on). Hacker attacks, spam, and other general problems were cut down 50% when I blocked those countries. It may not even originate in those countries, just they have a lot of breached computers.

The other waist of time we have is a lot of illegal activity coming from those countries. Essentially scam calls and emails, waisting our limited office resource. In this I would include human traffickers that just call us up and want us to falsify say 100 work contracts for people from Bangladesh, India, wherever and don't even bother asking us if it is legal. They just ask how much. Not going to do it, and we were having our time waisted by them a lot. Pakistan is particularly bad for illegal activities of this nature, as they use Chile as a jumping off point to enter Europe, Canada, or the U.S. They believe they get less scrutiny from those countries, if they originate in South America. The Pakistani honorary consul to Chile selling visas to Chile did not help.

Then we have another level, which is the legit people wanting to move to Chile, but have no money, skills, whatever. I feel for them, but I am simply not going to dump a bunch of people on to the streets of Chile with no resources (even if it was legal) and no hope of integrating rapidly in to the culture, when we have Chileans that are still below the poverty line and there is unemployment in Chile. Even at that, those countries need to apply through the local Chilean consulate anyway and I can't really help them. Not our type of clients.

So, just our relative cost of resources waisted, divided by the number of legit clients I have ever had from them just does not add up. Same with the forum spammers. Even before I blocked it, we only had perhaps half a dozen legit users ever from those countries. Heck, this might qualify as one of the few from the middle east in nearly 5 years. By the way, I don't think I have jordan blocked.

Hi everybody,

I have some news....

I stamped my Chilean visa in my Jordanian passport. Although the consulate had said to me that it will take near 1 month, but it was very fast. Actually, they stamped the visa the same day i applied !! I just went to the consulate with all the requested papers and the consul was there, I entered to his office, he asked me some questions, then I was surprised when he said he will give me the visa the same day !! He even didn't send for the Chilean Interior Ministry.

The visa itself is as follow :

Visa : Tourismo Multiple
Duracion / Duration of stay : 90 dias/days
Para ingresar antes de 90 dias / To be used within 90 days of the date of the issue

I asked the consul what this means, he told me that I have until 90 days from now to enter for the first time. Once I enter, suppose the 1st of April, I can be in Chile and exit and re-enter as i want until the end of June. By that date, I have to leave Chile definitively.

So according to him, only the first entry should be within the 90 days following visa stamping, all the later entries are not obligated to be within that period. On the other hand, not every stay in Chile has the right of 90 days; the total of all the stays plus the time I'll be outside between is limited to 90 days counting from the date of my first entry. At least, that was what the consul believes. I suppose then that I can extend that 90 days of multiple stays to 180 days by applying at the Chilean Ministry of Interior.

Now for the restriction part : In the visa itself, there was no mention such as "No es possible su cambio a visa residente". On the other hand, I have signed the Application Form which has a section mentioning that "I promise during my stay in Chile NOT to apply for a change of my status of tourist"; Furthermore, they gave me 2 copies of that Form, and told me that I have to keep them because the immigration service at the airport will ask for them. I don't know if this will have any influence once in Chile on my application to change status. Do I need to hide these copies and not to show them at the airport ?

I would like to thank this forum for all the help it offers to me

I would show them. The immigration officials at the Santiago airport are fairly by the book.

pkhetan wrote:On the other hand, not every stay in Chile has the right of 90 days; the total of all the stays plus the time I'll be outside between is limited to 90 days counting from the date of my first entry. At least, that was what the consul believes. I suppose then that I can extend that 90 days of multiple stays to 180 days by applying at the Chilean Ministry of Interior.

I believe that the consul is wrong. However: do not try to ask them once again, if they are sure, or not. Simply proceed based on the following assumption: each new entry gives you 90 days.

Any question by the authorities must be answered by you the following way: the text, "Visa : Tourismo Multiple", and the line, "Duracion / Duration of stay : 90 dias/days" means by default duration of each stay.

You must firmly insist, that you are right, and that is exactly what is stated on the visa stamped in the passport.

Further, every 90-days entry is extensible to 180 days by paying $100 USD.

pkhetan wrote:Now for the restriction part : In the visa itself, there was no mention such as "No es possible su cambio a visa residente".

Good. You may want to try to change your status, without the necessity to re-enter Chile.

Note: All the above is only my opinion.

And there is the One, Who knows better.

May you always prosper.

Yamantako

pkhetan wrote:On the other hand, I have signed the Application Form which has a section mentioning that "I promise during my stay in Chile NOT to apply for a change of my status of tourist"; Furthermore, they gave me 2 copies of that Form, and told me that I have to keep them because the immigration service at the airport will ask for them. I don't know if this will have any influence once in Chile on my application to change status. Do I need to hide these copies and not to show them at the airport ?

Here is what I think:

At the airport, you give them your passport only (and you just keep these two copies somewhere, in case you are asked by the PDI to show them).

If you are silently (with no question asked) given your entry stamp in the passport, and also the tourist card valid for 90 days, that is very good. Only if they directly ask you for some additional paperwork -- you do show these copies.

Again: All the above is only my opinion. And this is Chile.

And there is the One, Who indeed takes care of everything.

May you always prosper.

Yamantako