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HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby enjambedline » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:46 pm

I'm an American Citizen desiring permanant residency in Chile. Could you please tell me who to contact and what forms I need to become a permanent legal resident with a retirement visa? I am in my 50's and all the money I spend here, is earned in and accessed from The States. Thank you
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Re: HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby patagoniax » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:45 pm

enjambedline wrote:I'm an American Citizen desiring permanant residency in Chile. Could you please tell me who to contact and what forms I need to become a permanent legal resident with a retirement visa? I am in my 50's and all the money I spend here, is earned in and accessed from The States. Thank you


Welcome to the forum. You will note that there is a search function for previous related threads such as this one:

topic3135.html

THIS PARAGRAPH IS EDITED AFTER THE ORIGINAL POST: You typically start a period of temporary residency, the length of which may curiously vary (see comments in subsequent posts), during which time many of the banks here in Chile may not wish to have anything to do with you. Some may; many won't. A temporary resident in Chile is something of a second class resident. At the end of the temporary residency if you have behaved yourself, you may apply for permanent residency. If not, there is always Bolivia.

Here is the page for the application documents and requirements. How is your Spanish? And why would anyone wish to live in Chile, for crissake?

This type of visa is for "RESIDENCIA TEMPORARIA PARA JUBILADOS Y RENTISTAS" meaning for persons who are either retired or are receiving investment or similar income inside or outside of Chile, who wish to live in Chile for more than 90 days at a time, "for their activities or interests in the country."

http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/te_6.html

This is the requirements document for first time applicant for residency as jubilado (retired) or with income from outside of Chile

http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/filesapp/TE6%20ISO.pdf

This is the request form for application by mail

http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/filesapp/ ... O_2008.pdf


As you can see on the fees page there is no charge for US residents

http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/filesapp/ ... 202009.pdf

Naturally, you may wish to do some extensive research on the ground in this country to see if you really really really want to live here. And some reading on this forum. Chile isn't for everyone. You may also find it better to apply for residency from within Chile, traveling here first on a tourist visa. Then after your research and travels about the country, if you are not thoroughly disgusted, or killed in an earthquake, or trapped in a gold-mine, or asphyxiated from the results of poor water-heater installations, or electrocuted by the abysmal electrical systems found here, or mugged on the streets of Santiago, you can make application for temporary residency while on tourist status. Naturally you will wish to bring with you the documents specified in the aforementioned requirements pages.
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Re: HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby RuneTheChookcha » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:10 pm

patagoniax wrote:...You typically start with two one-year periods of temporary residency, during which time many of the banks here in Chile may not wish to have anything to do with you. Some may; many won't. A temporary resident in Chile is something of a second class resident. At the end of the second year if you have behaved yourself, you may apply for permanent residency...

Having a Temporary Residence requires a stay of one year without interruption, as per well-known immigration FAQs, that are not only posted on their website, but are linked to from this very board, repeatedly. Further, 90 days prior to the temporary residence expiration, a temporary resident may apply for the Definite Permanence. That is even less than 1 year.
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Re: HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby admin » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:17 pm

Yea, we are not meaning to be rude, just this is likly one of the most discussed topics on the forum and well covered on our other sites also:

http://www.spencerglobal.com

http://www.allsouthernchile.com

and you can also search the wiki section on this site:
http://www.allchile.net/chilewiki/

Read all of that stuff, then if you come up with a new twist on your situation post back some specific questions and we will all do our best to answer them.
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Re: HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby patagoniax » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:27 pm

The observed experience, at least in Magallanes, is that two years of temporary residence were required before permanent residency could be applied for. Does the regulation say something else? Yes. Does experience show that this regulation is not uniformly observed? Evidently. Could be any number of other factors at work.

By all means, feel free to contact the Extranjería office in Puerto Natales and ask why they do what they do.

In the meantime I will try to contact the people here whose circumstances called for the requirement of two one-year periods of temporary residency, and let's see why there is a disparity. Maybe we can even publish the document that described the (local?) requirement.
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Re: HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby RuneTheChookcha » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:57 pm

patagoniax wrote:The observed experience, at least in Magallanes, is that two years of temporary residence were required before permanent residency could be applied for. Does the regulation say something else? Yes. Does experience show that this regulation is not uniformly observed? Evidently. Could be any number of other factors at work.

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Re: HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby RuneTheChookcha » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:43 am

patagoniax wrote:The observed experience...

Putting aside drunken conversations, this is an interesting topic, and is a good lesson for me.

Not only I have the most recent versions of the immigration FAQs and their "information" PDFs on my hard drive, but am also familiar with this very TE-6 "Temporary Residence" based on experience, and can personally confirm the fact that one's permanent residency application indeed can be assigned the "in processing" status well before the first year of the said TE-6 "Temporary Residence" ends. Hence, my stating "this is just so" would seem quite right here.

Yet, I believe that patagoniax speaks also based on experience, so, I am sorry for the above post.

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Re: HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby Tombi » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:18 am

Off topic

and you can also search the wiki section on this site:
http://www.allchile.net/chilewiki/


Speaking of Wiki, there's a spelling error in the first line. Unless it's meant to say "the curios" instead of "curious". Not being pedantic, just hoping to be helpful. :)
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Re: HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby admin » Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:47 pm

Tombi wrote:Off topic

and you can also search the wiki section on this site:
http://www.allchile.net/chilewiki/


Speaking of Wiki, there's a spelling error in the first line. Unless it's meant to say "the curios" instead of "curious". Not being pedantic, just hoping to be helpful. :)


Wonder how long that one has been there? :roll:
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Re: HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby patagoniax » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:52 pm

Digging a bit on the experience of the two gringos who needed two years of temporary residency. These people were on "inversionista" status and that may (or may not) partially explain why there is a difference vis-a-vis other types of temporary residency. Sure enough, the FAQs at the CL government site indicate the validity of the practice (extension by one year). Note that although the law allows for voluntary extension, the extension cases I know of were specified by the Extranjería here. In other words, the applicants did not have the option of applying for permanent residency until the end of the second temporary-visa year. It is quite possible that they didn't have enough legal days in-country during their first year to satisfy the Extranjería. And yes, even though the processing was conducted by the local Extranjería, the extensions had to be approved at the Santiago main office.

Is it common in other regions? Don't know. Just know that it happens in XII Regíon and evidently not uncommonly, and that the law provides for it, even if it not the "standard practice" observed by others. So the criticism was well taken and I modified the original post to acknowledge that two years of temporary visa may not be the norm.

http://www.bcn.cl/guias/residencia-extranjeros-chile
Guía legal sobre: Residencia de extranjeros en Chile. Preguntas frecuentes que explican en lenguaje ciudadano los principales contenidos de este tema.
¿Qué es una residencia temporaria?
Es un permiso que se otorga a una persona extranjera que acredita tener vínculos de familia (padre o madre chilena, hijo o cónyuge chileno), intereses en el país o cuya residencia se considere útil o ventajosa. Este tipo de residencia permite a la persona residir temporalmente en el país y realizar cualquier actividad lícita sin limitaciones especiales, incluso trabajar. Esta visa puede durar hasta un año y es prorrogable sólo por un año más. Si se desea permanecer por más tiempo hay que solicitar permanencia definitiva o de lo contrario abandonar el país.


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A subsequent search of the Extranjería material tells us the following

http://www.extranjeria.gov.cl/te_11.html

PRORROGA DE VISA DE RESIDENCIA TEMPORARIA

Podrán solicitar una Prórroga de Visa de Residencia Temporaria aquellas personas cuyo fundamento para solicitar por primera vez una visa de este tipo haya sido su condición de inversionista o comerciante.

Esta prórroga de visa temporaria está orientada para aquellas personas que hayan obtenido su primera visa de residencia por un tiempo menor al año establecido para solicitar la permanencia definitiva y deseen completar los plazos para realizar una presentación de este tipo.

También podrán optar a este permiso aquellas personas que cumpliendo los plazos previstos para solicitar la permanencia definitiva no deseen hacerlo y en cambio opten por prolongar su estadía sólo por un año más a través de un permiso de residencia temporal.
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Re: HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby admin » Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:57 pm

Let me put it this way. If Warren Buffet the oracle of Omaha called me and said he wanted to become the Oracle of Chile, I would tell him to stay the hell away from the investor visa. There really is no good reason ever to apply for it, no matter who you are or what you want to do in Chile. We have found 0 advantage, and thousand times more problems with it over a regular run of the mill periodic income visa.

By the way, if Warren Buffet applied for an investor visa in Chile I bet the desk jocky at immigration would not understand his biz modal and cancel his visa in the second year.

The only thing that confuses gringos is when they see the requirement for the periodic income visa, think they do not have a periodic income, then think somehow applying as an investor will be easier. IT WILL NOT BE EASIER OR CHEAPER IN ANY WAY.

The periodic income requirement can be met in a infinite number of completely legit and legal ways by almost anyone, and it does not have to be all of your income.
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Re: HOW TO OBTAIN EARLY RETIREMENT VISA

Postby admin » Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:10 pm

My wife once had a 'who is on first' type conversation with the head of immigration years ago when we had a client that was just filthy rich with a fat trust fund underwriting their lifestyle. The official at immigration simply could not understand the concept that someone could be born rich, do nothing, and will die rich. Immigration insisted that they had to do something for a living, had to have a profession of some sort. We are like, "no our client is just filthy rich, and that is their profession".

By the way, we got the visa using the trust fund interest payments after all that. Even the filthy rich have something periodic.
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