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Re: Real Estate in Araucania region 11

Postby GJJIM » Tue Sep 14, 2010 10:38 am

patagoniax wrote:
GJJIM wrote: As for solar hot water, forget it. The sun angles down there are too low in the winter to justify the investment.


Actually solar preheaters are coming into use here, and have proven their utility and cost-benefit on an annualised basis. On the other side of the frontier, the Argentines have been doing better research and analysis in this than the chilenos. One of their projects is for installing solar preheaters for rural schools to reduce fuel gas consumption for water heating.


We live at 39 degrees latitude and I looked at adding rooftop solar hot water panels to augment our hydronic heat system. Even with the expensive fuel prices here in the EEUU, the estimated payback time was over 20 years, and it made no sense to spend the money. Performance in the Summer months with a high sun angle was OK, but in the Winter the panels add very few BTUs.

Up in the north of Chile (e.g. Arica) solar hot water is probably a viable option.
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Re: Real Estate in Araucania region 11

Postby MadTexan » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:28 pm

Greg Judy, good advice. I have stopped considering regions in the Pategonia for a while. I was focusing on region 9. I understand it gets lots of rain cold rain in the winter, but no snow and has moderate temps all year for the most part. I'll look into this region you were talking about and see what land costs are. I am guessing if there isn't a lot of rain cold rain then you have irrigate.
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Re: Real Estate in Araucania region 11

Postby RuneTheChookcha » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:48 pm

MadTexan wrote:no snow

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yea, right.. absolutely.. no snow.
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Re: Real Estate in Araucania region 11

Postby greg~judy » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:53 pm

MadTexan wrote: I'll look into this region you were talking about and see what land costs are. I am guessing if there isn't a lot of rain cold rain then you have irrigate.


Indeed... bountiful waters from the rivers and lakes of the high altiplano...
Filtering down the dry valleys to irrigate a lush oasis by the ocean... :wink:

And if you look to XV region (as opposed to I or II regions)
You will not even have any of those nasty polluting mines above you in the watershed. :evil:

The Azapa and Lluta valleys have supported human populations for many millennia.
You just might be a wee bit of a latecomer [say 8,000 - 10,000 years?] as a homesteader here :P
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Re: Real Estate in Araucania region 11

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:03 pm

greg~judy,

You should both be working for the XV Region muni as head of their tourism and promotion department. :)
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Re: Real Estate in Araucania region 11

Postby greg~judy » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:08 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:greg~judy,

You should both be working for the XV Region muni as head of their tourism and promotion department. :)


That role is for our good amigo and beer~buddy tombrad2... :D
We are only his humble~voluntary assistants :alien:
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Re: Real Estate in Araucania region 11

Postby patagoniax » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:52 pm

no snow


And let's not forget the no-snow events in that region in 2005

LOS ANGELES, Chile - Hundreds of searchers piercing the snow with stakes and combing the mountain with dogs on Sunday recovered the bodies of five more of the 45 young soldiers who froze to death in the Andes in the country's worst peacetime military tragedy.

Families began to bury 26 of the mostly teenage victims found so far and the army said it would continue to search for 19 still missing after a regiment of ill-equipped young recruits hiked into a blizzard on Wednesday.

"It's really slow work," Major Eugenio Marzal told a local television station that showed lines of soldiers grimly searching the slopes of the Antuco volcano near the Argentine border.

Wind and snow complicated the fifth search day, but the army said it would continue on Monday.

The sudden blizzard, the worst in 30 years, trapped 433 trainees, most of them under 20 with only a month's experience in the military.

"Today was a difficult step and tomorrow's going to be tougher because we're expecting bad conditions," Army Commander in Chief Juan Cheyre told a press conference.


---------- snow in Temuco 355 feet above sea level ---------

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