Tears of the Moon...

Wot's an Ag...?
1
3%
I'm an Ag Bug... luv it.
5
13%
Bahhh... who needs shiny stuff.
0
No votes
Totally manipulated... a fool's play
1
3%
Me & the missus got some silver jewelery
2
5%
Hey... I still use a camera with real film!
2
5%
Got Grandma's sterling silver tableware and tea service
2
5%
Own a bag or two of "junk" silver - pre '63 coins
3
8%
Yep, got a whole bunch of them old genuine silver dollars
5
13%
Collecting some nice new silver 1 oz. rounds or bars
5
13%
Got a bunch of heavyweights - 100 oz. bars
3
8%
Own some "paper silver" - ETF's
2
5%
Hold some Sr. silver mining stocks
2
5%
Got some hot Jr. silver producers
3
8%
Got some silver antibacterial socks for Xmas.
0
No votes
I think there's a bit in my laptop and iPhone... lemme look?
4
10%
 
Total votes : 40

Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby greg~judy » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:19 am

g~j have been waiting and watching...
Maybe now is a good time to introduce our Ag poll...
NorAm holidaze are over... back to bizness?
As Ag is at a 2 1/2 year high - kissing the $20 resistance line :D

Tears of the Moon was what Peruvian Incas called silver...
(Gold has been called Sweat of the Sun)
Ag was a big factor in Chile's history - and continues playing a shiny role in the resource economy.

Now g~j are loathe to prognosticate for others...
Enuff of a chore for self-prognosticating, TYVM.
But heads up on Ag... those out high in the PM bleachers and end-zones
The yard-sticks are moving - perhaps significantly - in near-time.
Sometimes even the "Central Scrutinizers" can run out of manipulating room.
Watch the Ag:Au ratios... currently 63:1... longer-term historical 15:1
Just as shit can happen... silver can shine (brightly)
Industrial metal + store of value... reduced inventories?
+/-Supply : +/-Demand = +/-Price... check it out?
Some or many may wish to start looking - DYODD
Many, many WhirldWeavedWeb links to Ag out there...
Take a look... (...or not -- at peril of missed opportunities and profits)
May all enjoy silver's rise~'n~shine :mrgreen:

Disclosure...
g~j own silver - in many ways, shapes, forms :mrgreen:
(...but not as much as the Hunt bro's did) :(
We are very biased :wink:
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Re: Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby JvG » Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:19 pm

Back in '05 the place I bought the other metal from had a stack of 1000oz silver bars. They were stacked up like loaves of french bread. Seems some old excentric guy died, and the family decided to get rid of the foolish stuff. The coin shop wanted 7.25 per oz, retail when spot was 7.00. I wish I would have bought some. Instead I bought smaller bars, but less than 1000 oz. Lots of potential, especially if the gold/silver ratio narrows. Kind of hard to haul around though.

I see more potential in the precious metals stocks and mutual funds. I love to fund Roth IRAs that way. If I am right, and the stocks do very well indeed, there are NO TAXES.
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Re: Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby greg~judy » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:08 pm

http://mineschile.com/projects.htm
SILVER
During the last two decades the silver mining industry in Chile went through an important reactivation in production due to the accelerated development of the national copper mining industry, with the entrance into production of various important deposits.
It brought with it as a result, a total increase of more than 400% in the national production of silver as a by-product of copper and gold mining, between the years 1980 and 2007.
It must be remembered that the main local gold mines have associated silver production, a metal that during the period of low gold prices, at first fulfilled the role of holding the mining operation as profitable.
In gold mining, the value of the silver produced (the amount produced multiplied by the market or sale price), is divided by the amount of ounces of gold produced, allowing the operation to display an inferior direct cash cost, than if it had been obtained without the production of associated silver.
In this way, the percentage content of silver in minerals reinforces the investments in gold extraction projects.
According to numbers of the Chilean geological survey Sernageomin, in 2008 national gold production reached a total of 50 million ounces (or 1.405 tons), and thus Chile stayed in fifth place among producing majors at world level, and as the second largest South American producer, after Peru.
In the medium term, it is believed that silver production would have to rise as the extension of the Los Pelambres mine is completed in 2008, combined with the projects Esperanza and Andacollo Hypogene (Sulphides), towards 2010.
Nevertheless, a great jump in the silver production of the country would be sure to take place when the gold and silver project Pascua Lama enters into production.
Experts estimate that when the future Pascua Lama project enters into maximum capacity, it will extract 30 million ounces of silver annually, along with 775,000 ounces of gold a year.
The production of silver from this operation would elevate the national silver production by around 1,000 tons annual.

Hmmm... segue to the loads of controversy surrounding Pascua Lama :roll:
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Re: Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:14 pm

I am waiting for the day "plata" (dinero) in Chile is actually made of or backed by PLATA REAL (AG). :)
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Re: Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby Chuck J 3.0 » Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:15 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:I am waiting for the day "plata" (dinero) in Chile is actually made of or backed by PLATA REAL (AG). :)



That would be the smartest thing the Chilean politico's could ever do, but, I'm not holding my breath. I would never expect them to lead that effort but I can see them following somebody else's lead, i.e. when it becomes the "thing to do". Mexico is a candidate for being the first country to attempt to back it's paper currency with silver. (Maybe in a few more years after the Evil Empire on their northern border is too weak to stop them from doing it.)

Hugo Salinas-Price is a strong advocate of silver-backed currency in Mexico. http://www.thedailybell.com/1071/Hugo-Salinas-Price-Silver-Should-Be-Legal-Mexican-Currency.html

http://www.plata.com.mx/mplata/

In early 2008 tried to sell a couple Mexican Libertads (.999) in Chile, blank looks ensued. For a country with a Presidential Palace named La Moneda and with such a rich history of silver mining/use in the Peru-Chile-Argentina region - it seemed like I was asking someone to kill their mother to buy them from me. :shock: Coin shops in Stgo. anyone? Where? Any?


My Ag history: In 2003 I stumbled across some articles by Jason Hommel and rekindled an interest I'd long had in coins and PM's.

[ chest-thumping now follows ] :D I bought most of my Ag between $4.82 and $6.60. I did buy some more up to around $10.00 but not any since. Ok, I'm done thumping my chest now.

Nice to see it edging on $20 pricewise, also great to see the ratio down to 63-ish to 1. Hope it gets back towards 16:1 wouldn't that be awesome!

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Re: Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby greg~judy » Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:34 pm

Between 1817 and 1851, silver coins were issued in denominations of ¼, ½, 1 and 2 reales and 1 peso (also denominated 8 reales), with gold coins for 1, 2, 4 and 8 escudos. In 1835, copper ½ and 1 centavo coins were issued. A full decimal coinage was introduced between 1851 and 1853, consisting of copper ½ and 1 centavo, silver ½ and 1 décimo, 20 and 50 centavos, and 1 peso, and gold 5 and 10 pesos. Also in 1851, the peso was set equal 5 French francs on the silver standard, 22.5 grams pure silver. In 1860, gold 1 peso coins were introduced, followed by cupro-nickel ½, 1 and 2 centavos between 1870 and 1871. Copper coins for these denominations were reintroduced between 1878 and 1883, with copper 2½ centavos added in 1886. A new gold coinage was introduced in 1895, reflecting the lower gold standard, with coins for 2, 5, 10 and 20 pesos. In 1896, the ½ and 1 décimo were replaced by 5 and 10 centavo coins.

In 1907, a short-lived, silver 40 centavo coin was introduced following cessation of production of the 50 centavo coin. In 1919, the last of the copper coins (1 and 2 centavos) were issued. The following year, cupro-nickel replaced silver in the 5, 10 and 20 centavo coins. A final gold coinage was introduced in 1926, in denominations of 20, 50 and 100 pesos. In 1927, silver 2 and 5 peso coins were issued. Cupro-nickel 1 peso coins were introduced in 1933, replacing the last of the silver coins. In 1942, copper 20 and 50 centavos and 1 peso coins were introduced. The last coins of the first peso were issued between 1954 and 1959. These were aluminium 1, 5 and 10 pesos.


Do we take it that there has not been a silver coin in Chile since 1927?
Jeezzz, even up in Noram, there was silver money until '64 (... 40% until '70)

It is always so nice to hold real money - nice big piles of it ...
Junk silver they call it now... how disparaging.
Roosevelt dimes(now worth $1.44Ag)...
Washington quarters(now worth $3.60Ag)...
Kennedy halves (now worth $7.20Ag)
... even the Eisenhower 40% dollars(now worth about $6.30Ag).
And those hefty 80% silver Canuk coins thru to '67...
Today's Loonie can't touch an old Dollar (now at $12.00Ag)

Few may know how sweet it is to play with a few bags of "junk" -
Slide your hands right in there...
Let those heavy, dusky~shiny coins slide in and out, between your fingers...
Yep, feels like money...
:P

But other than a few faded, dusty old silver pesos and centavos we see in ferias...
Not many coins to be seen - still looking?
Still... it's worth knowing the silver content and current valuation.
...which should far exceed the "antiquity or rarity" added value a vendor may ask?

Old pesos were 90% Ag... weighed out to 0.7234oz. Ag ---
Today = $14.40 at metal price.
So lets say 7000 pesos to start (metal price)... but, where will the seller go, just because its "old".
Old centavos were just 50% Ag...
But, haven't seen any Ag weights of old coins to hazard a guess of value?
Anyway, g~j will start looking for some future coin "deals" :alien:
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Re: Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby MikieO » Thu Sep 09, 2010 12:09 am

I just received this, nothing I hadn't heard before, just more bullish :)

http://seekingalpha.com/article/223993- ... urce=email
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Re: Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby longjonsilver » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:23 am

i just had to chime in on this one - ever see my user name? :D
here is an old article on lagrimas de la luna:
http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_0 ... 91100.html

and this on a new US gold standard:
http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/350.cfm

and here on daily silver coin values:
http://www.coinflation.com/silver_coin_values.html

canadian coins: 1967 and earlier were silver - the canadian dimes and quarters were switched from silver to base metal in the middle of 1968 - hence the lower value for 1968 quarters and dimes.
united states: 1964 and earlier are silver - the halves were only 40% from 1965 -1970.

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Re: Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby greg~judy » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:28 am

MikieO wrote:I just received this, nothing I hadn't heard before, just more bullish :)

http://seekingalpha.com/article/223993- ... urce=email


Bullish indeed...
A well written, most comprehensive series on understanding manipulation~supression of PM's
And, of course, how to profit in present~future opportunities!

But MikieO... perhaps to be piggish, vs. bullish...
Is your sensitive snout also deep in the silver trough... 8)

Chuck J 3.0 wrote:
eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:I am waiting for the day "plata" (dinero) in Chile is actually made of or backed by PLATA REAL (AG). :)


That would be the smartest thing the Chilean politico's could ever do, but, I'm not holding my breath. I would never expect them to lead that effort but I can see them following somebody else's lead, i.e. when it becomes the "thing to do". Mexico is a candidate for being the first country to attempt to back it's paper currency with silver. (Maybe in a few more years after the Evil Empire on their northern border is too weak to stop them from doing it.)

Hugo Salinas-Price is a strong advocate of silver-backed currency in Mexico. http://www.thedailybell.com/1071/Hugo-Salinas-Price-Silver-Should-Be-Legal-Mexican-Currency.html
http://www.plata.com.mx/mplata/

Wouldn't that be nice... to once again see silver currency...
We follow the Mex. situation and always cheer on Sr. Salinas-Price...
Perhaps when all the Mercosur countries adopt that "single currency" :shock:
They'll be silver and gold again... actually in coins, or paper certificates - backed by physical.

Hmmm... a bit of history, perhaps...
On June 4, 1963, Executive Order 1110 was signed by President Kennedy directing the US Treasury to issue a new US currency. This new US currency was to be backed by a precious metal—silver, unlike the credit-backed money issued by the Federal Reserve since 1913.

By the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy’s signing of Executive Order 1110 returned the power to issue currency back to the US Treasury thereby ending the fifty year monopoly of private bankers and the Federal Reserve Bank over US currency. Six months later, President John F. Kennedy was shot and killed.
...of course, one can believe what they want about "conspiracies" here... :wink:

http://www.drschoon.com/articles%5CSilverGoldAndTheLastAmericanHeroJFK.pdf
g~j hold a goodly few of those beautiful 1963 Kennedy half-dollars (90% Ag)... to remember that great man.
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Re: Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby greg~judy » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:50 am

Good recent analysis of inventory shortages... and delivery contracts... and paper vs. physical.
http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=13766

... in part...
There are several factors when put together signal that the physical silver market could be on the brink of a panicked buying frenzy.
The price of silver closed last Friday at $19.91, its highest close since March 17, 2008. With both the COMEX and LBMA showing problems of having enough silver to make physical deliveries, I anticipate that demand will mount in the next few weeks. There will be rising pressure from two sources. First, a number of owners of “paper silver” contracts will be trying to convert their asset into physical metal. Second, it is highly likely that the number of professional investors, perceiving a rare opportunity to profit from a supply squeeze, will continue to increase their buying efforts.

At some point, the price of silver will rise so high that there will be a major profit-taking and retrenchment. In my judgment, we are nowhere close to that occurring. My crystal ball is too foggy to name a target price. $25 by the end of this month is a definite possibility. $30 silver by the end of 2010 also a reasonable prospect. But these could also turn out to be extremely conservative.

At the minimum, I would not be surprised to see the severe shortages of physical silver (and gold) that developed in late 2008 return by the end of this month. It is still possible to purchase physical silver today, and get it at reasonable premiums.


g~j remember well, back in 2008...
trying to pick up a few more 100oz. bars...
or buy Maple Leafs in 100-lots.
Sorry... dealers had NO stock back then - inventory was zilch...
And you can bet your last Maple Leaf - this situation will happen again.
Those proactively with - will profit :D
Those retroactively without - will watch from the sidelines :(
As always... DYODD
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Re: Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby Chuck J 3.0 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:10 pm

This may be far more than most people want to study, however Charles Savoie is the PREMIER (if not widely known) researcher into the history of silver and it's manipulation by the cartel. Obviously David Morgan is no slouch either when it comes to silver commentary, but Savoie is the shizznit, :D fo shizzle, my peeps. I just wanted to share.

left hand side >site menu >archives (then scroll down to) >Charles Savoie. http://www.silver-investor.com/ An embarrassment of riches.

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Re: Ag... Tears of the Moon

Postby MikieO » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:32 pm

But MikieO... perhaps to be piggish, vs. bullish...
Is your sensitive snout also deep in the silver trough... 8)


Remember, "pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered"

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