A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby GJJIM » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:19 pm

Here is an interesting perspective from Gonzola Lira on the looming Social Security train wreck in the USA as baby boomers retire en masse. He offers some historical perspective of how Chile "fixed" its system and what we might try here.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest- ... can-system
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Re: A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby greg~judy » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:48 pm

A most interesting document... thanks for sharing. :)
It brings to mind, just slightly tangential...
A local fisherman we know and share beers with on Saturday afternoons at the muelle.
A few weeks ago he proudly presented a document that he spent much time~effort to obtain.
It stated (documented) that during the Pinochet regime, he was imprisoned...
And thus was entitled to a small compensation (= a small pension).
There are a few other friends in our beer group - mostly older guys...
Antonio - the fisherman, Leo - an Aymara (now a civil servant), Oscar - an academic...
And all, it seems, were imprisoned back in those days and sent to internment camps...
And are eligible for these pensions.
Next Saturday, we will inquire more about this and get more info...
Over our ceviche and cervesa :mrgreen:
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Re: A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:21 pm

I'm a pessimist. Though vested, I will never ever see even a partial return of my hard earned dollars that was involuntarily taken for me as I worked my ass off for many years paying a zillion other taxes in addition to my "contribution" for my future. The government and leechers did quite well from my life. Guess I am one of the stupid (but honest) ones.

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Re: A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby Chuck J 3.0 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:43 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:I'm a pessimist. ........ The government and leechers did quite well from my life. Guess I am one of the stupid (but honest) ones.

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I'm in the same boat. :evil: Have you ever looked at your soc. sec. statement they send you? I got mine recently. It tells how much you've paid in over the years. It's just depressing, I'll never see a penny of that.

It's 30+ years of theft from my paychecks.
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Re: A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby greg~judy » Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:58 pm

This seems somewhat timely...
So g~j are happy [ :roll: ] to share with all :wink:

Happy Birthday Social Security?
Aug 20, 2010

In his weekly radio address this past Saturday, President Obama happily commemorated the 75th anniversary of Social Security. From my perspective, the milestone is nothing to celebrate. For although the president spoke earnestly about the "obligation to keep the promise" of Social Security, in reality, the program will wreck the government's finances within 10 years.

The numbers are simply astounding. Social Security is the largest social program in the world, making up over 40% of all federal spending. Over 58 million Americans - 1 in 5 citizens - receive a monthly check from Social Security. Although these numbers are already daunting, demographic realities will soon cause the program to expand much more rapidly.

According to the Government Accountability Office (GAO), entitlement programs and net interest costs may be expected to consume fully 93% of federal revenue by 2020. Think about that: in less than 10 years, the Social Security program (which includes Medicare and Medicaid) will have gotten so big that only 7 cents of every dollar of federal revenue may be left for everything else.

What exactly does "everything else" include? Try the entire military, FBI, freeways, disaster relief, NASA, housing agencies, and the postal service - to name a few. If new revenue is not found, and if current Social Security obligations are not changed, the remainder of federal programs would have to be cut by 88% by 2020. Simply put, the "third rail" of American politics is about to electrocute us all.

Enacted in 1935, Social Security turns 75 this year (its sibling, Medicare, is a mere pup at age 45). By comparison, our great republic is over 200 years old. In other words, for most of our nation's history, Americans have not relied on a Social Security check or Medicare insurance in their old age.

These programs have grown rapidly during the historically brief period since their inception. Even after adjusting for inflation, Social Security taxes have risen fourteen-fold since 1935, and Medicare taxes have risen at least four-fold since 1965. And yet, despite massive tax increases for both programs, their balance sheets have only deteriorated. But it's important not to confuse size with permanence.

Instead of tackling the issue head-on by cutting spending, leaders in both parties continue to exacerbate the problem. Medicare Part D -- signed into law by former President George W. Bush just seven years ago -- increases our nation's unfunded liabilities by nearly $16 trillion! And while the fiscal impact of President Obama's health care reform law is still being debated, one thing is for certain: total expenditures will rise, not fall. Those Americans who criticize Europeans for spending so much money on social programs should take a good look in the mirror.

If an American politician were to take a courageous stand to reform this failing system, how would the nation react? One can already picture elderly Social Security recipients being trotted out by the mainstream media in a heartbreaking plea for sympathy. Any intimation that our seniors might suffer would surely stop the debate cold. No matter that a bankrupt program would offer far fewer benefits than one that has been reformed.

The original mission of Social Security was to provide a basic subsistence income to the elderly during the Great Depression. But while the initial intention may have been laudable (no one wants to throw Grandma and Grandpa out on the street), the program has predictably spiraled out of control. In 1935, each person receiving funds from Social Security was supported by 17 workers. By 2020, a Social Security recipient will rely on just about 2 workers paying in. Since neither Republicans nor Democrats have demonstrated a willingness to cut those monthly checks, get ready for higher taxes (and higher inflation).

Alarmingly, there is growing evidence that the current tax bite, and the prospect of higher taxes in the future, is already destroying jobs in the American economy. In a recent op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, small businessman Michael Fleischer vividly described his reluctance to hire more employees due to the current burdens of health insurance, Social Security payments, unemployment insurance, and other government-mandated costs, as well as the potential for added burdens in the near future. No doubt this sad drama is playing itself out in company after company all across the country.

We are saddled with a large and growing tax burden that will eliminate jobs, an exploding but untouchable government program that is set to consume nearly every dollar of federal revenue, and virtually nothing left for essential programs such as national defense.

Happy birthday, Social Security?


So, are any Am'urkans Happy out there on such an auspicious occasion :roll:

BTW... "If new revenue is not found..."
Pssst... g~j know A SECRET... where this WILL be found...
Can't cut benefits... old farts will get really pissed... and they got guns.
Can't raise taxes... everybody else will get really pissed... and they got guns.
Sssshhh... Helicopter Ben has it all figured out already...
PRINT MORE MONEY... :lol:
How do you spell... I_N_F_L_A_T_I_O_N... :evil:
Do you know what H_Y_P_E_R... means... :twisted:
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Re: A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby GJJIM » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:04 pm

If you've read Strauss and Howe's The Fourth Turning, none of this is much of a surprise. The America of 2020 (if it still exists) will look nothing like what we see in 2010.
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Re: A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby greg~judy » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:16 pm

GJJIM wrote:If you've read Strauss and Howe's The Fourth Turning, none of this is much of a surprise. The America of 2020 (if it still exists) will look nothing like what we see in 2010.

Good book... :)
No surprise for those who can foresee black swans flying...
Any interested, or affected should CYA - ASAP... :wink:
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Re: A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby Ripsigg » Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:37 pm

Lucky for those of you who get your statement from SS and saw how much you paid in. I got mine and saw that huge amounts were missing. It turns out that two of my jobs in the 90's took out SS from my pay but didn't forward it to the nice folks at the SSA. I asked what I could do about it and they basically said, suck it up.

No worries, by time I am eligible for it a)it will be bankrupt and unavailable or the age to collect it will be 85.
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Re: A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby greg~judy » Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:51 pm

Any Yanks now (or soon to be) in Chile collecting (or hoping to) Social Security... (~j is...)
More gruesome grist for the evil mill... :evil:
Here ya go... :shock:

US Said Preparing New Laws To Seize Americans Retirement Accounts
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/08/us-said-preparing-new-laws-to-seize-americans-retirement-accounts/

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Re: A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:29 pm

I've been saying the above would eventually come to pass from the early days of this forum.

Tough sledding for all of us, late Boomers, Xers and onwards. At least the early Boomers and earlier Gens got their money back more or less (or much much more).

Those with aging bodies and minds who do not see this coming are in for a world of woe. Expect a mass exodus back to the chaotic States from the "expat" hotspots of Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, Ecuador, Argentina, etc. Sad but that is what happens when one believes in lies and fairy tales. I'm sure the messengers will be lynched first before the real controllers and their minions. DYODDD / TINSTAAFL.
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Re: A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby greg~judy » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:51 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:I've been saying the above would eventually come to pass from the early days of this forum.

Tough sledding for all of us, late Boomers, Xers and onwards. At least the early Boomers and earlier Gens got their money back more or less (or much much more).

Those with aging bodies and minds who do not see this coming are in for a world of woe. Expect a mass exodus back to the chaotic States from the "expat" hotspots of Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, Ecuador, Argentina, etc. Sad but that is what happens when one believes in lies and fairy tales. I'm sure the messengers will be lynched first before the real controllers and their minions. DYODDD / TINSTAAFL.


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And discuss these matters and ponder the vicissitude of life (at length) over appropriate libations
Until such time...
We remain...
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Re: A Chilean offers advice on Social Security in the USA

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:59 pm

JaJaJa (Castellano for LOL).

About to chase down my La Serena 35 grados pisco shots ($1590/700cc at Tottus) with Baltica 5.8 grados beer ($559/1L retornable at the local Carrera supermarket). Am I ready for the hard times or what?? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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