Los ricos + everybody else?

Postby greg~judy » Sat Aug 14, 2010 10:09 am

Let's just round the numbers out to 50:50
Let's just say they own half the country.
Them + everybody else.
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or... o_l_i_g_a_r_c_h_y
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Hmmm... anyone surprised...?


Four Chilean families concentrate 47% of assets in Santiago’s stock exchange

Four families in Chile concentrate 47% of the assets of companies quoting in the Santiago Stock exchange according to a book titled “Towards an inclusive growth; economic policy proposals” written by economist Luis Eduardo Cerda.

The Luksic and Piñera families among the richest The Luksic and Piñera families among the richest

The book which addresses wealth concentration in Chile names the four families: Andronico Luksic; Anacleto Angelini; Eduardo Matte and current president Sebastián Piñera, whom together made up 9.16% of Chile’s GDP in 2004 and 12.49% of GDP in 2008.

To the 47% of assets in the stock exchange, according to Cerda must be added critical market concentrations in other areas such as pension funds’ management, the financial system and the companies involved in private medical attention.

To eyes of international analysts Chile has a very successful image for having achieved sustained strong growth rates in the nineties which led to a considerable reduction of poverty and an improvement in the life quality of most of the Chilean population, but “very few have looked into “what has happened with wealth and the distribution of national income”, points out Cerda.

The economist goes further and argues that “little has happened in that field”. According to the Gini index (a UN development program equality measuring system) “the rate remains virtually unmoved since the mid eighties until 2009”.

For the eight economists who contributed with the research for the report the degree of wealth concentration and inequality has much to do with the dynamics of the Chilean economy and they come up with four proposals.

Experts propose promoting competition within a strict regulatory framework, a cluster policy in activities linked among each other inclusive of small and medium sized companies. Another issue is education, but “education is not enough, health and jobs are also needed” so as to diminish inequalities.

Finally the fourth proposal is social policies. “Classic liberal economists believe education is enough, we insist with health and jobs, if we want to have results”, underlined Cerda.
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Re: Los ricos + everybody else?

Postby fraggle092 » Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:34 am

Nothing new here. Tip of the iceberg.
Google "Marambio Cardoen" or "Sergio Gordon Cañas" for examples of shadier stuff....
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Re: Los ricos + everybody else?

Postby MikieO » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:50 am

Jeez, you guys, everyone wants a nose in the trough.
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Re: Los ricos + everybody else?

Postby oregon woodsmoke » Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:44 pm

So what? That's the way Chile is.

You want t live in Chile, you adapt to the way Chile does things, because Chile isn't going to adapt to you.
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Re: Los ricos + everybody else?

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:26 pm

At least the natives and everyone else in Chile know it whereas within the Empire, the sheep just ignore similar objective evidence and continue to believe in fairy-tales.
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Re: Los ricos + everybody else?

Postby admin » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:54 am

that just makes no sense at all.

first, there is a big gap between the rich and the poor in chile, but looking at the stock market does not capture it in anyway. most of the wealth in chile is either in the ground or it IS the ground. It is not in the Santiago stock market. Most of the people I know with a net worth of more than $1 million US, are living in shacks with no running water or electricity. They do not even have bank accounts, let alone stock portfolios. They are ranchers in the Patagonia or other places around Chile, that have massive properties that are debt free.

you need to do an apples to apples comparison first.

there was a stat some time ago I found that said that the average american, less the equity of their house, has a net worth of only $30,000 US. How many Chileans do you think have a networth of at least 15 million pesos, house aside? I would venture a guess that over half do (or close).

most of the wealth in chile is concentrated in coroporations, not families, and most of that wealth is secret or at least obscured legally that no one can simply run the numbers and say some guy has most of the wealth.. they are not traded on public markets. Also, I would venture that most or a lot of the cash wealth is outside the country for whatever reason.

I was in a mall the other day, and it was standing room only. people were buying, buying, buying. Yea, people are using a lot of credit, but it is not all credit. the credit system in chile is harsh for people that do not pay, so if they use plastic it is mostly because they feel confident they can pay it.

Also how many chileans own more than one property? a lot. not just their homestead, but vacation homes, investment properties, and so on.

since we are looking at families, you need to also determine what is the family worth. In chile families from all economic classes are fairly tight, they help eachother out, and Chile has forced inheritance so the money tends to stay in the family. Even on the lowest economic side of things, families collectively often have fairly extensive resources. The u.s. and EU culture has gone out of their way to breakup the family economic unit, thus I am sure bill gates has lots of relatives that are fairly poor and do not benfit from his money.
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Re: Los ricos + everybody else?

Postby nwdiver » Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:51 pm

More interesting would be the 4 families’ holdings in other stock markets, that would tell the really tale!!!! The Chilean market is very small so easy to control.


Also the way corporate income is taxed in Chile promotes a person to take the profits in one industry and use them in another unrelated industry, you can’t do that in North America or Europe, the profits have to be used in a your defined industry or you pay taxes on them, this has Chilean corporations entering all sorts of industries with bags of cash they don’t want to pay tax on, thus the large corporations end up in all the major industries from banks to mining to wine.
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