Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby patagoniax » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:26 am

GJJIM wrote:

Some of us like desert landscapes, and find scenery like that beautiful. Have you seen the night sky in the Atacama? As for Mars, from my point of view here in the USA, it's looking more and more attractive as a destination. :alien:


Yes, Patagoniax has spent a lot of time in the Atacama since his first visit in the 1970s, and has seen that night sky while freezing at 4000 metres in the high Puna. If you have the right mobility there are splendid sights to see in the Atacama. In fact I wrote a magazine article many years ago about a motorcycle trip into the Ojos del Salado area east of Copiapó.

The Atacama is the only part of Chile where I have found dessicated human remains lying alongside the road. The associated photo is in my gallery here http://www.allchile.net/chilephotos/dis ... fullsize=1

Regarding our Countryless forum member, his passport/travel/immigration situation is a large enough challenge without the additional burdens of trying to settle in the Atacama. I recall he was looking for a watered fringe area somewhere, but there is so little available decent water. What water there is seems to be both filthy and spoken for, whether for agriculture or the mining industry. And most of the naturally occurring water is downright unhealthy. There is a lot of arsenic that gets into the flowing water in the Atacama, along with other unpleasant chemistry. The Lloa river, for example, apparently has about 60 times the allowable arsenic (vs the World Health Org standards). The Copiapó river has about 50 active mines in its basin plus some inactive mines that probably don't keep their tailings to themselves, and anyway I think the Copiapó river usually dries up just below the city.

I hear that we have to pay a reciprocity fee to visit Mars.
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Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby greg~judy » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:54 am

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Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby greg~judy » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:56 am

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We don’t know because we don’t want to know.”

↑↑↑ aldous huxley ↓↓↓
“There are things known and there are things unknown,
and in between are the doors of perception.”
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Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby greg~judy » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:57 am

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Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby greg~judy » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:59 am

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Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby greg~judy » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:01 am

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Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby greg~judy » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:03 am

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Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby norcal » Mon Aug 09, 2010 11:11 am

Countryless,

Your story is interesting and I am curious about hearing more. However, this site might not be the most appropriate venue for it.

Have you ever thought about just swallowing your tongue and getting your Canadian passport? Then you will have the tool you need to escape. Afterward, when everything is settled and legal in what ever country you go to you can then renounce your citizenship and be done with Canada.
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Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby Ventisquero » Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:38 pm

kampalm wrote:Like between Cuba and Iran?

Btw, what's wrong with Cuba? Oh, right! They've got the Guantanamo prison there.

Is it as bad as Chad but not as bad as Taliban era Afghanistan?

Oh, it's much better than Taliban era Afghanistan. But not nearly as good as present day democratic and free Afghanistan.
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Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby GJJIM » Mon Aug 09, 2010 2:01 pm

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That which does not kill us, only makes us stronger. :D literally:

http://www.jstor.org/pss/3433938

It has been proven in numerous studies that small doses of biological toxins and ionizing radiation can actually increase life expectancy. Of course drinking water downstream from a pile of mine tailings is not a recommended practice, even here in the state of Colorado USA, home of the EPD, EPA, Sierra Club, and other assorted enviro-nazis.
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Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby kampalm » Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:44 pm

Ventisquero wrote:
kampalm wrote:Like between Cuba and Iran?

Btw, what's wrong with Cuba? Oh, right! They've got the Guantanamo prison there.

Is it as bad as Chad but not as bad as Taliban era Afghanistan?

Oh, it's much better than Taliban era Afghanistan. But not nearly as good as present day democratic and free Afghanistan.



OK, first of all that was my attempt at humor. My point was, as bad as Canada may be getting, it is a hell of a lot better than most of the rest of the world. I guess the definition of "oppression" is debatable.

On one hand countryless is talking about Canada as being an oppressive state and then he talks about trying to get smuggled into Iran???

On the other hand, I can’t believe I am actually defending Canada (again trying to be funny)
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Re: Moving to Chile, Atacama Desert

Postby Ventisquero » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:59 pm

kampalm wrote:as bad as Canada may be getting, it is a hell of a lot better than most of the rest of the world.

I don't want to argue... but please ask yourself, kampalm, if you have had enough (not to say "a hell of a lot") experience with "most of the rest of the world" to make such claims.
Btw, this is not about Canada, it's about any place. So don't feel you need to defend Canada again :)
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