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Re: Internet Censorship...

Postby Skraeling » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:18 am

As all men know, freedom of speech is a Communist plot. :evil:
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Re: Internet Censorship...

Postby greg~judy » Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:22 pm

This issue deserves to be kept in sight...
Net Neutrality is not just important... it's Really Freak'n Important :!:
"The Google-Verizon pact isn’t just as bad as we feared — it’s much worse. They are attacking the Internet while claiming to preserve it. Google users won’t be fooled.

Keep up with this... and let your voices be heard :idea:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26165.htm
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Re: Internet Censorship...

Postby Stoph » Tue Aug 17, 2010 2:51 pm

Americans enjoy far broader protection of freedom of speech than anywhere else in the world. The First Amendment is powerful. Ask the guy in Australia who was convicted of child pornography for his perverted Simpson cartoons (which in the US would be protected). In England, defamation laws protect people's reputations at the expense of free speech. Other countries do have statutes and court decisions that protect free speech, but no place comes close to the USA where it is enshrined in the US CONST. Sometimes, just sometimes, we get it right.

Waiting for the USA bashers. It's your turn.
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Re: Internet Censorship...

Postby greg~judy » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:06 pm

Stoph wrote:Americans enjoy far broader protection of freedom of speech than anywhere else in the world. The First Amendment is powerful ... Other countries do have statutes and court decisions that protect free speech, but no place comes close to the USA where it is enshrined in the US CONST. Sometimes, just sometimes, we get it right.
Waiting for the USA bashers. It's your turn.


Now remind yourself - who said...
"Stop throwing the Constitution in my face... It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"
And remind yourself again - how MANY actions (especially since 911)
Have spoken FAR louder than those words in the interim :?:
g~j will leave the search for examples of these actions to any who choose to search.
You will find them... :evil:

And also... this is not per se, the issue of free speech...
But the potential corporate control and manipulation of content
... on a supposedly open platform and level playing field - (at least, at present)
So perhaps we should not mix these issues.
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Re: Internet Censorship...

Postby j. Ro » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:39 pm

Stoph wrote:Americans enjoy far broader protection of freedom of speech than anywhere else in the world. The First Amendment is powerful... In England, defamation laws protect people's reputations at the expense of free speech. Other countries do have statutes and court decisions that protect free speech, but no place comes close to the USA where it is enshrined in the US CONST. Sometimes, just sometimes, we get it right.

Waiting for the USA bashers. It's your turn.


Not going to bash but while freedom of speech is great and all there has to be laws in place to hold individuals responsible for what they are saying. With regards to the first amendment there is nothing to stop an individual from flat out lying and making up elaborate stories about another person to ruin their reputation.

Say what you want… as long as it is true, that is what I believe in.
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Re: Internet Censorship... STOP SOPA

Postby greg~judy » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:25 pm

our friend Mish offers this...
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Loss of Free Speech

A bill in Congress with an innocuous title - Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) - threatens to do much more.

An extremely technical, low-profile bill that isn't being covered by cable news, but has nearly 1,000 registered lobbyists officially working on it: the Stop Online Piracy Act, or SOPA -- a bill with the power to fundamentally reshape the laws governing the Internet.

SOPA would imbue the federal government with broad powers to shut down whole web domains on the basis that it believes them to be associated with piracy -- without a trial or even a traditional hearing. It would provide Hollywood with powerful new legal tools to stifle transactions with websites whose existence worries the movie industry.

The bill's supporters, which also include major record labels, trial lawyers and pharmaceutical giants, call SOPA a robust effort to curb piracy of American goods online.

Opponents, however, have castigated it as an unparalleled attack on free speech online. Civil liberties advocates say SOPA would give the U.S. government the same censorship tools used in China. Those in the technology sector warn that the bill creates enormous new barriers to entry for web startups, threatening innovation and job creation. Farther afield, librarians say that under the letter of the proposed anti-piracy law, they could be jailed for simply doing their jobs.

Leahy's bill would also empower corporations to demand that payment processors, advertisers and search engines stop doing business with sites the companies believe to be dedicated to infringement. A Hollywood studio could claim a website is "dedicated to infringement," and tell Google to stop registering the website in its search results. If Google protested, the company could haul Google into court.

This new set of corporate liabilities -- known as a "private right of action" -- prompted resistance from Wall Street. Both JPMorgan Chase, which operates a major global payment processing business, and the Financial Services Roundtable, a lobbying group representing the nation's biggest banks, began pressing Congress to reject the bill, arguing that it was unfair to hold banks accountable for the sins of others. Banks and payment processors didn't want to have Hollywood telling them who to do business with.

The government's ability to shut down sites would involve federal tampering with the domestic Domain Name System -- a basic Internet building block that links numerical addresses where Internet data is stored to alphabetical URL addresses that people actually type into web browsers. The Chinese government censors the Internet for its citizens by engaging in DNS blocking, restricting access to certain domains.

Tech experts warn that giving the U.S. government such powers could hinder the functionality of many web applications, severing the connection between domain URLs and numerical data addresses that many programs rely on. It would also hamper efforts to introduce a new security system known as DNSSEC, which national security programmers have been developing for years.

"The Act would allow the government to break the Internet addressing system," wrote 108 law professors in a July letter to Congress. "The Internet's Domain Name System ("DNS") is a foundational building block upon which the Internet has been built and on which its continued functioning critically depends. The Act will have potentially catastrophic consequences for the stability and security of the DNS."

Leahy's bill has whipped Internet advocacy groups into a frenzy. Dozens of nonprofits, including the Electronic Frontier Foundation and The Center for Democracy and Technology, issued strong statements condemning the bill. Fifty venture capitalists sent a letter to the Hill warning lawmakers that Leahy's bill could cripple tech startups with absurd legal fees prompted by Hollywood. ...

Americans pay higher prescription drug prices than the citizens of any other nation, a product of strict intellectual property rules for prescription drugs. So many among the elderly and the uninsured import the same drugs at lower prices from Canada to avoid the sticker shock, a strategy advocated by both Consumer Reports
and AARP.

Though buying prescription drugs from Canada is technically illegal, the Food and Drug Administration has informally tolerated the purchases for years, provided the medicine is approved by prescription and is only for personal use.

SOPA includes a host of provisions designed to crack down on counterfeit medicine that are written broadly enough to encumber the importation of safe medicine from legitimate Canadian pharmacies. Provisions that bar the importation of "mislabeled" drugs would block a great deal of unsafe pills from making their way to the U.S., but they would also block all Canadian prescription drugs, because Canada's drug warnings don't exactly match FDA warnings.

"Our primary concerns are with the fact that non-infringing content is going to be taken down in the process of taking down infringing content," says Michael MacLeod-Ball, First Amendment counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "The way the bill is set up, if a site has infringing content on it ... their default reaction is going to be to take down the whole site."

While a judge has to review the Attorney General's request to take down a site, nobody from the site being targeted must be given a chance to defend themselves before the judge grants the AG's request. The AG doesn't ask a judge for a search warrant under SOPA, it requests to take down an entire website without a trial -- or even a hearing.

Under current law, any U.S. website posting infringing content has to take the song or movie down at the request of whatever company owns the copyright. But under SOPA, companies could go directly to web hosting companies and require them to take down the entire website -- not just individual songs and videos.

As a result, SOPA creates a new opening for corporate command of the Internet. Under SOPA, web hosting companies that take down legitimate websites at the behest of copyright holders would be granted blanket immunity from any liability for losses caused to those legitimate sites.

"Congress is on the verge of wrecking the greatest engine of innovation and greatest platform for democracy ever known to human kind," says David Segal, Executive Director of Demand Progress. "And for what? For the sake of propping up an ossified industry that refuses to change with the times, but happens to make a lot of campaign contributions."


My site, ZeroHedge, Calculated Risk can all be shut down if a newspaper or other cite thinks we went beyond fair use in quoting an article. Drug imports from Canada (something that ought to be legal), will be shut down as well.

This bill's real intent is not to stop piracy, but rather to hand over control of the internet to corporations.
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Re: Internet Censorship...

Postby patagoniax » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:08 pm

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Since we are in Chile it is worthwhile mentioning that the Chilean Socialists are very active in censorship here, not only concerning what is on the net but in any public speech which differs from certain of their party opinions. Witness the efforts of Chilean senator Isabel Allende.
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Re: Internet Censorship...

Postby admin » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:46 pm

A bit on how sopa would break the internet in the United States, and ways of working around it. Essentially they are going to block DNS servers in the U.S. from getting the correct address lookup. Rather trivial to fix, but for the average joe blow, it is the same way China block sites in Taiwan or whatever.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenbe ... ensorship/

If they pass sopa (more like when, given the no debate allowed in congress over it), I will finally have to move this forum out of the United States. Been thinking about it for years, every time one of these laws starts circulating around congress. This time however, they are fundamentally messing with the reliability of the internet.

This law is designed exactly around what they could not do to stop wiki leaks, cut off their DNS service (although wikileaks did some strange things to their own DNS on their own).
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Re: Internet Censorship...

Postby admin » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:48 pm

Here is the story about Anonymous organizing an online protest over SOPA:
http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2011/1 ... n-protest/
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Re: Internet Censorship...

Postby admin » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:01 pm

I was looking over the proposed law as it stands now.

In the real world, a real bricks and mortar music or movie store, it would go something like this:

A rep of say Sony, could walk in, find a pirated copy of something being sold on the store shelf (perhaps supplied by a third-party vendor so that the owner of the store is not even aware that it is pirated). The sony rep could immediately have the store seized. Order the banks and credit card companies to close their accounts. Order the city to remove their address from in front of the store. Order the phone company to remove their phone number and stop allowing calls through. All advertisers, newspapers, and so on to stop their advertising. All without ever going to court or contacting the owners of the store, and any of the third-parties that resisted could be sued for failing to do it.

The thing is, I wonder what happens when they do that to say Wall Mart, Amazon, Google, or any of the big boys? Do they really get to exert that sort of legal force over them? I highly doubt it. It will be the small IT companies that get wiped out by it.

I think somewhere I mentioned in another context how all the eCommerce sites would exit the United States if something like this happened. I think something like this has happened.
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