Chile Forum

It Passed

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That's not why it's RIP in the USA. There are so many other reasons, that's just one of them.

I am lucky to have only my toes in the US right now. I saw only my toes because I am living on the US island of Saipan and some of that BS doesn't affect things here and there is a little more international flavor to things here, but nonetheless, I feel like something has been lost over the last few years. Frankly, I don't like seeing how badly things have gone.

Dagny,

Ah, no need to be so melodramatic! Focus on some of the positives: Job portability insurance; cannot be denied insurance because of a pre-existing medical condition; 32 million more Americans will now have coverage.


"He sent the flint stones flying, but the pony kept his feet, He cleared the fallen timber in his stride"
~ Banjo Paterson

I agree with Dagny and RIPsigg.

OMG, another Ayn Rand admirer! Just remember, lack of knowledge does not reality make.

Personally I don't see things changing so quickly, this is just another milestone on the way down. The one to really watch will be the next "big deal" ..."immigration reform". THAT will be a shocker, when the 12 million "undocumented insurgents" turns into 30 million.
OMG, how did we undercount them in a census year?

OMG, another Ayn Rand admirer! Just remember, lack of knowledge does not reality make.

I presume you are referring to your own lack of knowledge John. So honest of you.

As for Ayn Rand, yes I do believe that we have a duty to ourselves first and that the best form of society will grow out of capitalism, the true form of capitalism ( voluntary exchange of benefit for goods or services) that is, not the 'rigged' capitalism that we have in the world now, nor fascism which is what the US has at the moment. Grow the government, and you will have more slaves at your disposal and willing to coerce MORE money out of people to keep you and your cronies in power. That is the ulterior motive, not the wellbeing of the poor, for the poor would not be half as, if it weren't for the taxes they have to pay on everything.

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MikieO,
Immigration reform in the US is long overdue and should be dealt with by Congress in this legislative year. However, your use of the pejorative "insurgents" in place of "immigrants" will not further civil discourse about immigration reform on this forum. IMHO, one of the required outcomes of immigration reform must be a path to legalization for undocumented immigrants (whether there are 12 million or 30 million). While I'm in favor of implementing immigration control policies (similar to the point systems currently in place in Australia and New Zealand) for new immigrants, I do not think it is either realistic or practical to try to apply them retroactively to undocumented immigrants who are already in the US.

John, I see you hail from Long Beach, Ca. I am in OC so we both swim in this soup known as Ca. Whether or not you agree with my use of the word "insurgent", you should agree I hope that the definition "a person who revolts against civil authority" would apply to one who would cross borders illegally, for whatever motive.
This "insurgency" is without doubt a contributing factor toward the passing tonight of this abysmal bill.
As far as "immigration reform" is concerned, I thought it was reformed in 65, or did the goal posts move?
Been to a Ca hospital lately John?
Think it'll get better now John? Nothing to see here, move on John.

john wrote:Dagny,

Ah, no need to be so melodramatic! Focus on some of the positives: Job portability insurance; cannot be denied insurance because of a pre-existing medical condition; 32 million more Americans will now have coverage....

Wellll, you're correct, IF by NOW you mean four years in the future when benefits are realized from four years of taxation. But hey, Madame Speaker said it will reduce the deficit and I have oh so much faith in her being correct because the US government has such a spotless record of not going over budget

R.I. P. ??? because now more US citizens will have better access to medical care?

i'd say RIP because of the supreme court decision in january that opens the door to even more corporate influence over the congress, and a more corrupt government.

I refuse to regurgitate talking points here... if you're paying attention then you've been inundated enough with both sides' drivel... and if you're like me (and stayed up way too late to watch CSPAN then your head is already close to exploding)


RIP - Because any system that has an increase in government regulation and funding will see cost increases (and there is no way that the CBO's pronouncement of it being a deficit cutter will be proved accurate) (; college tuition after increased gov. lending for example.)) And how about Medicare - monumental cost overruns and fraud; is this bill not essentially Medicare for all? How on earth can we expect it to avoid the same fate?

So working from that premise, the cost alone will cripple the system - and eventually (if they do add 32m or more) the holy grail of affordable health care for all will be nothing but a cracked and dirty cup with everyone fighting to drink the same scummy water.

If I could decide and implement a fix: deregulated purchasing of policies allowed across state lines as well as an extensive a la carte option system (so that people in NY aren't required to pay for chiropractic coverage that they'll never use)

Private competition brings down prices once government is removed and consumers make decisions with their own wallets

A fix is needed to allow more people to benefit from the greatest PRIVATE system of healthcare in the world, but MORE GOVERNMENT IS NOT THE ANSWER.

(apology to all those who aren't following this/don't care/aren't affected)