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Foreign Earned Income Exclusion ..... byebye?

Postby Dagny » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:32 am

A bill (S. 3018), “The Bipartisan Tax Fairness and Simplification Act of 2010” introduced late-February 2010 by Senators Ron Wyden (D-OR) and Judd Gregg (R-NH), aims to make the Federal income tax system "simpler, fairer, and more fiscally responsible." Among other things, the bill would eliminate the foreign earned income exclusion, which concerns all US taxpayers living and working abroad.

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Re: Foreign Earned Income Exclusion ..... byebye?

Postby PanAmerican » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:20 pm

Don't Sweat it: You are taxed when you bring the money back to the US. If you work, get paid, and spend it in Chile there is no US tax. Some people go overseas to work for a few months and return to the US. These people are taxed when they bring the money back TO the US. If the money stays in Chile, then the taxes stay in Chile.

The $10,000 carry accross the boarder exemption does not apply to taxes, just customs. If you carry $5,000 then you should declare $5,000 in income. You may not have to declare it to customs, but the IRS is different agency.

The blurb in the Original Post is from a US resident's perspective.
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Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:31 pm

Dangerous and erroneous advice.
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Re: Foreign Earned Income Exclusion ..... byebye?

Postby Dagny » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:41 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:Dangerous and erroneous advice.


Can you expand on that?
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Re: Foreign Earned Income Exclusion ..... byebye?

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:53 pm

The first post in response to your post.

Anyone that knows the basics of basics regarding US tax law and US CBP Treasury form requirements knows otherwise.
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Re: Foreign Earned Income Exclusion ..... byebye?

Postby Dagny » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:03 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:The first post in response to your post.

Anyone that knows the basics of basics regarding US tax law and US CBP Treasury form requirements knows otherwise.



Got that.
Is anyone aware of this bill - I just stumbled upon it last night. From further reading on the contents I would say that if it didn't include the above referenced language then I would support the bill... which means if I think its a good idea congress will likely dismiss it quickly. Guess we'll see what happens after healthcare implodes or explodes.
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Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:05 pm

A related topic now that we've gotten thread activity is / may be the health bill.

USA citizen and resident "Permanent Tourists" or those who may lose official residency status for whatever reason should realize they may be subject to the same requirements ($$$$) as those physically in the States.
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Postby Dagny » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:08 pm

Here is a piece in the WSJ from Wyden & Gregg...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB2000142 ... 57424.html

Ha! Ok, apparently the bill is also a covert vehicle for legalizing AND TAXING internet gambling. Should have seen that coming :|

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2010/02/b ... i-7963.htm
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Re: Foreign Earned Income Exclusion ..... byebye?

Postby Dagny » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:13 pm

eeuunikkeiexpat wrote:A related topic now that we've gotten thread activity is / may be the health bill.

USA citizen and resident "Permanent Tourists" or those who may lose official residency status for whatever reason should realize they may be subject to the same requirements ($$$$) as those physically in the States.


I've been looking for info on this (current language in bill) but there isn't anything concrete that I can find - the most recent news was circulating in January - this is about the extent of it:

Under Title 1, Subtitle D, “Shared Responsibility”, the Personal Responsibility Requirement currently states on page 28 that “Beginning in 2013, all U.S. citizens and legal residents” would be required to purchase coverage of one of the specified types of insurance coverage. This broad reference clearly includes U.S. citizens residing overseas. Yet citizens who are bona fide residents in foreign countries have health coverage plans valid in the country where they reside. If they subscribe to the U.S.-specific insurance outlined in the program – which they do not need and cannot use – they will be paying twice for health insurance. If they do not participate in the U.S. program, they will be subject to an excise tax to be levied on their IRS returns as defined in the bill on page 29.

The purpose of the excise tax is to encourage all Americans who benefit from the U.S. health program to participate in its financing. Americans residing overseas cannot benefit from the U.S. health system, so for them the excise tax is just that – a tax with no counter-part service. As per the September 22nd press release concerning the chairman’s markup, the maximum excise tax per family for non-participation, is $1,900, not a negligible amount.
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Re: Foreign Earned Income Exclusion ..... byebye?

Postby eeuunikkeiexpat » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:45 pm

What needs to be determined:

What is the definition of "bona fide resident"? Is it like the tax law on how many days a year you are outside the country?
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Re: Foreign Earned Income Exclusion ..... byebye?

Postby Ripsigg » Sun Mar 21, 2010 6:40 pm

The health care bill passed by the Senate(and now being passed in the House) exempts expats who reside at least 330 days of the year outside the country.

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@PanAmerican: You must be smoking something. US citizens and permanent residents are taxed on their worldwide income. If they spend enough time out of the US then they can ASK to exclude a certain amount of their income earned abroad.
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Re: Foreign Earned Income Exclusion ..... byebye?

Postby Dagny » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:00 pm

Ripsigg wrote:The health care bill passed by the Senate(and now being passed in the House) exempts expats who reside at least 330 days of the year outside the country....


Ripsigg, can you post your source for the 330 day figure?

Also, is there further clarification for 'reside'? What if one owned a home in Chile, was a resident of Chile and happened to spend two months in the US each year?

Will we know our fate tonight?? (3/21/2101.... a day that could live in infamy....)
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