Chile Forum

Hello All,

I have been looking at several countries for potential places to move to from the U.S. My motivation is to get out of the U.S. due the the decrease of freedoms here and continuing economic collapse. It looks like Chile is the best place for me. I am a 55 year old women and will be coming alone at first, then bringing my dog (Dalmatian) and maybe my grown kids later. The main reasons I have chosen Chile are safety, relatively low debt and stable economy.

What a great resource this forum is! Thanks everyone for all the info!

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I will be honest with you and say that if you are planning to come to Chile to avoid the reductions in freedoms you feel are going on in the US, you will probably be disappointed. Chile, although democratic, feels less free to me than the US. Examples of why:
- When we stopped to ask for directions from a police officer in a rural Andes town, he required our IDs and vehicle registration and looked them up on his computer first.
- You have to have permission from the police (a formality USUALLY) to move big things that you have just bought (for us it's animals)-- it's called a Guia Transito and requires a stamp and signature.
Other things, but I have to leave ATM... just food for thought. I like it here, but there is WAY more government presence than in most places in the US.

Thanks allegro,

Please tell me more when you get the chance, I'd really like to know what I am getting into.

The thing is that I believe that the U.S. is being targeted for financial collapse to debilitate the country so than it is no longer an obstacle to world government. The transition will be very painful to put it mildly. The U.S. may seem to be affording freedom to us but the reality is that structures are being put in place to track and control virtually everything Americans do, believe, own, etc. We are being transitioned into a police/military state here.

I would like to know more about the government there and how much they are in bed with international corporations and the U.N. That tells you how much they are sold out and working against the people.

All of our U.S. corporations have been moved offshore and the billions of bailout money (which raises our national debt to astronomical levels), was given to international banks owned by private ultra rich elite families that for hundreds of years have controlled finance and the booms and busts, run-away inflation, etc. throughout the world. I believe they have used it to buy up assets after the recent severe decline in our stock and real estate markets. It goes on and on and is detailed all over the internet.

All of this sort of thing has also happened to all the third world nations from time to time via international corporations, the U.N., the CIA and IMF. As far as I am concerned, the more a country adopts the policies that are being pushed by the U.N., meaning they sign on to the world government agenda, the more potential there is for some very bad things to happen.

One thing I see as being a plus is that for now Chile is doing well economically, at least that is what I have been reading as I search the internet to learn about the country. It is said that they actually export quite a few products. As most countries sink into depression and financial collapse, perhaps Chile will be able to fair better because their economy hasn't depended so much on a financial bubble.

There might be more administrative presence and paperwork in Chile (I don't think so once you factor in the US IRS), but Chile can't compete with the US police state, what with the highest incarceration rate in the world, paramilitary "war on drugs" raids, obnoxious air travel "security", spying on citizens and so forth.

But with the current circumstances yes you're going to run into a more present police force with checkpoints in some places.

I share your sentiment and concerns. I will be moving to Chile in August from New York. I selected Chile based on most of the factors that you mention: economy, safety, stability, climate, people, cost of living, internet...

The way I understand it, the big problem is that when the US goes down, the whole world is going to feel it, or dare I say "go down with it". The financial market is truly global nowadays and it's the local markets that will impact a country waay beyond that. The US has problems with real estate, unemployment, pensions and probably the biggest new problem, government spending and wasting. I certainly want to move away from that. Chile's economy is not based on fairy tales, like ours. My personal big concern is the dollar, I'm worried how I'll manage in Chile when it plummets 20%, 30%... 50%? My mom is about to retire back to our old country and I'm concerned how long will the retirement funds be around.

Everybody's sold out to the NWO, more or less. The US interests are all over the copper and other industries in Chile. Do some research on Kissinger back to the 70s. If you listen to Alex Jones, you have to take it with a huge grain of salt. He scares the crap out of me. Glenn Beck gives a much more hopeful picture of things to come because normal Americans still live in this country. It's just hard to see that from a place like New York, because we live in a liberal bubble here. The real situation is probably much more realistic for you down south.

In closing, no place is truly safe. But I think we're making a good educated choice.

I agree with your main points. I have lived in the US for most of my life. I am 55. This no longer feels like the same country. I must read some of the same websites you do. For those of us that follow those websites, everything you wrote makes sense. Since the mainstream news media is so controlled, those people who are not aware of what is going on will have a very different take on where you are coming from. They would question your grasp on "reality" (no offense intended of implied) I am careful about what I say....

Regarding economic collapse, and ways to preserve the buying power of your financial assets, i suggest looking at the gold oriented websites. Historicly, the precious metals and their stocks have done well during periods of uncertainty.
PM me for links, I respect the moderators rules about hyper-links.

Everfree, I'm from Georgia as well not too far from Madison, so I wanted to try to give a fellow Georgian some advice. I've been to Chile 4 times and stayed for long periods, so I think I can tell you a little of what I experienced and also some advice maybe on the subject.

First of all, I agree with what Allegro was mentioning. If you are trying to go to Chile to escape Big government, it probably isn't the place, from my experience. A lot of the things that you seem to have an issue with do take place in Chile. Not to mention, I also felt when I was there that there was a lot more government interference in things. Every resident has to have a national id card (cedula) on them at all times, something most Americans freak out about when discussed in congress. You have to give your national id number (RUT) for almost everything. There is a lot of Red tape in many areas of government and there is not a real drastic difference in Big government that you seem to want to be escaping. If you are one of the Americans worried about how things are turning socialist in nature at home, Chile isn't the place for you, as the infrastructure is socialist in nature. Your concern over mega corporations and ultra rich families running things is present in Chile as well. Chile is probably one of the most elitist cultures I have experienced, where there are a few hundred families that have had their steak in Chile's government since the independence from Spain and they still are able to pull strings in the government.

My advice would be to go visit for an extended period and see how you like it. There are lots of people all over the world that get sick of how things are going and want to move to some far away place, but you have to come see it to know if you will like it. Also, depending on your economic situation, being 55 and moving to Chile will be difficult unless you are retired or have a pension (and know Spanish). If you can take care of yourself with your financial situation without depending on the government in Chile, then you would have less of a hard time, but you still should go check it out in my opinion.

Also, now might not be the best time to think about moving to Chile because of the recent events. You might want to wait and see how the government takes care of the disaster. My guess is that inflation is going to drive up the prices in some things and make life just a little more difficult for the average Chilean, especially in gas/kerosene prices for the upcoming winter and food. You might want to take that into consideration.

That being said, Chile is a special place and I'm not in any way saying it isn't a great place to retire and live. I could live there easily, especially in the South. I was simply applying my advice to your reasons for the move, which seem to be mostly due to political/economic reasons. The best thing to do would be to hop on a plane and go explore regions you are interested in. Just remember that you are going to experience a country that just had a natural disaster and much of the central region is going to be cleaning up for a while.....

Staying on this thread, have you guys been thinking through the possible repercussions of the Pinera revelations that Chile's economy, far from being in the black is running a deficit? I know that I am concerned about what that's going to do to the peso when folks stop looking at the terremoto. Any updates on that?

As far as the transition goes, my suggestion to Pinera would be to put up a website ASAP that will air the corruption and excesses of the prior govt. This way, anyone at anytime can access this information rather than leaving up to the media to report.

You sound very motivated about the move, but remember the old adage "look before you leap". IMO it's not a good idea to move to a foreign place simply to escape things you do not like in your current home. Unless there is some positive attraction, you will not find happiness long-term. The nuts and bolts issues also need your consideration. If your assets are in U.S. banks, think about the consequences of capital controls and potential limits to transfers of money. Many expats live or die at the mercy of the local ATM machines - what if one day that shiny card stops working?

Chile is a beautiful, interesting place, but it is not "better" or "worse" that America, it's just different. Take the advice others offered and visit for a while to see if your expectations match the reality.

MikieO,
You raised a some good points. I'm not sure the website with 100% transparency would work in Chile, though that would be a great thing to raise awareness of problems in the gov't. They promised a similar site here after the election with Obama, and it has yet to be done, so doing that in Chile seems unlikely, though it would be a nice thing to have. As far as a deficit, I'm not sure really. From my understanding of some of Chile's economic practices, they have always stashed huge copper reserve profits in banks around the world. Not sure what this amounts to, but I do know that the government has a lot of rainy day funds that could boost the economy if things turn sour after the quake or any other major problem......

Thanks everyone for your comments... they're very helpful.

The problem is that I don't think there is anywhere that government is not overstepping honest and fair bounds. International corporate interests are having their way no matter where you look. "For the love of money is the root of all evil..." 1Tim 6:10

From what I understand, the goal is to nearly devastate as many nations as possible to pave the way for world government and weaken any resistance. It does seem Chile might fair a little better than many of the countries in South America because of their relatively strong economy but the heavy government control that is in place is not good either.

Another issue that is of concern to me... what about free speech? Does Chile have any "hate speech" laws? Can you pass out literature in public that disagrees with whatever the political agenda of the government happens to be? Are people allowed to hold peaceful protests? Is there any talk about restricting the internet to control "cyber-terrorism"?

As everywhere, freedom is the right to obey the police.

I hope you are not thinking of being politically active in Chile. That is never a good idea as a foreigner.